Talk:Downtown Triangle (Jerusalem)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:38, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Right, I will take a look and jot queries below....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:38, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Lead

From the mid-1940s through the 1960s, the Triangle was "the commercial, cultural and economic center of...Jerusalem" - surely we can write this without quotes and paraphrase differently?

 Done Yoninah (talk) 01:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

the commercial viability of the Triangle deteriorated - erg, if it did decline, just say so, no need to go on about viability if it was an actuality I think......

I changed "deteriorated" to "declined" - is that what you wanted? Yoninah (talk) 01:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Sort of...when I wrote it I was more concerned about the term "viability" but on thinking about it again am ok with it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:56, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

History

Did the old commercial segment(s) of Jaffa Road overlap with what is now the Triangle, or was it in a different bit?

The commercial strip called Jaffa Road extended from the Old City Walls westward, passing the triangle. I made a small change in the article, and will try to see if I can find a source. Yoninah (talk) 01:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done Good thing I looked at the source again. I edited this section accordingly. Yoninah (talk) 21:18, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

How did the name arise? was it officially designated or did it come about as an informal name?

Since the British developed a triangular district, it was popularly called "the Triangle". I'll try to find a source. Yoninah (talk) 01:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done Source added in parentheses. Yoninah (talk) 21:18, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

demand for "detective stories, histories, and newspapers from Germany and England". - I think we can rewrite this without quotes too..

 Done Yoninah (talk) 01:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

A standout example is the Sansur building - don't need to mention it is a "standout example" as merely mentioning the building here notes this...let the facts speak for themselves.

 Done Yoninah (talk)

I'd link cold cuts, neo-Renaissance, classicist

 Done Yoninah (talk)

Decline and rebirth

weaning customers away from the city center. - I'd say "weaning off" or "drawing away" but not "weaning away"....

 Done Yoninah (talk)

Bombing attacks

I'd not have "(see Ben Yehuda Street bombings)" in body of text but make a seealso note under the header and maybe note how many there'd been or discuss a tiny bit more.

OK, will expand. Yoninah (talk) 01:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I think I'd have Zion Square refrigerator bombing as a single sentence rather than a seealso. Also does the area have any obvious increased security or memorials from these? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:40, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done I expanded the section and moved the Zion Square refrigerator bombing into a sentence. I found only one mention of a memorial, though the next time I go downtown I could look around for other, smaller memorial plaques. There is no increased security presence to my knowledge. Yoninah (talk) 21:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Landmarks

If many of these won't have independent daughter articles, I'd add a sentence or two to give them some colour and make the section less listy.

OK, will expand. Yoninah (talk) 01:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done Yoninah (talk) 22:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Otherwise a nice read and (I think) within striking distance of GA status...cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy review! I'll start addressing your concerns. Yoninah (talk) 17:31, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I apologize, I've been unable to work on this due to work and family concerns. Expanding the bombing attacks section is going to take some time; I was planning to research that when I expand Ben Yehuda Street. The expansion of Landmarks is more minor, but I'm not finding time to do it. Could this be put on hold? Yoninah (talk) 15:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, happy to leave this open until you get to it - prefer that it gets done right once rather than yo-yoing, so take your time and I will leave this open. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:39, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I covered everything now. Yoninah (talk) 22:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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Pass or Fail: a nice read. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Yoninah (talk) 11:21, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was No consensus, and closed per request of both parties. — Maile (talk) 16:29, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

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• Oppose. Zion Square is a fully sourced GA. It makes no sense to merge it to here. Yoninah (talk) 18:55, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah: If the article is good, it does not mean that it makes no sense to merge it to here, and we must share with other colleagues because you are the one who nominated the article So we must achieve neutrality, There are many sentences in the two articles repeated in the same way (The same events, landmarks and history) what do think.--Anass (talk) 21:27, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

On the other hand the article isn't neutral because you only use Israeli references--Anass (talk) 21:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

@Anass: I'm sorry, I'm not following your logic. The Downtown Triangle is a whole district that includes several sub-districts. It makes no sense to expand and expand this article with all the information for the sub-districts; the article would become too lengthy and would naturally be broken off into sub-articles (see WP:SPINOFF). I've developed the Zion Square article into a GA and intend to expand the Ben Yehuda Striée (Jerusalem) article, too.

I have never heard the argument about using foreign-language vs. English-language sources. We have plenty of foreign subjects featured on Wikipedia for which there are no English-language sources. Moreoever, this is not at all true in the case of Zion Square, which includes sources like The Baltimore Sun, The Globe and Mail, The New Yorker, and The New York Times, as well as internationally-known papers like The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz. Yoninah (talk) 09:42, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah: There is a repeat, for exemple what have said about Hamashbir Lazarchan In both articles he is the same and in the same way as in the history section, if you want examples I will give it to you--Anass (talk) 10:23, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Since Zion Square is part of the Downtown Triangle, obviously landmarks that are included in the former will be listed in the latter. See WP:SPINOFF. Yoninah (talk) 14:24, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I have just noticed the transfer of the Israeli narrative only about this region. As long as the area was the main commercial district of the Old City, did not mention any information about this pre-occupation period? Also, the so-called "terrorist" and "suicide" bombings are the characterization of the Zionist media and those who blame it, not our characterization, and what they call terrorism, which we call legitimate defense. Our encyclopedia is not a platform for such talk, which suggests the innocence of the Israelis.

The region is under occupation, which requires "two points of view, not just one." For example, the subject of "buying land in Palestine in general and in Jerusalem in particular" is a controversial issue that is not 100% correct and therefore needs to be mentioned as "Jewish confirmation of its occurrence" and at the same time " The reader is left to search for himself for more information. I hope the picture is clear. thank you.--Anass (talk) 11:32, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, it's clear that you are peddling the "occupation" narrative. The Downtown Triangle is located in Western Jerusalem, which has never been considered "occupied territory". Yoninah (talk) 14:24, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah: You did not mention anything about the history of the region before the British mandate means how it was in the Ottoman Empire and others and there is no mention of the Palestinians and Their role in the place, was remembered only by their terrorist attacks, as if the Israelis had done nothing--Anass (talk) 14:38, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Are you familiar with the history of Western Jerusalem? The area that is now the Downtown Triangle, like other large swaths of land in Jerusalem, was owned by the Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem. This is stated in the article. If you can trace it to a Palestinian owner before the Church acquired it, please add a reference. Yoninah (talk) 16:35, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merging

Hi everone, In fact, I think that it is necessary to merge the two articles (this and Zion Square) and my colleagues in the Arabic Wikipedia suggested that because, although they are separate areas, but the articles have the same history and the same landmarks, I think that the article Zion Square should be placed as a section in Downtown Triangle (Jerusalem), what do you think about that--Anass (talk) 16:59, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Please read WP:SPINOFF. Adding another article to this one would only bloat the page. Look forward to similar expansion of Ben Yehuda Street (Jerusalem), which is also part of the Downtown Triangle. Yoninah (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Jerusalem map by neighbourhoods needed

See discussion at Talk:Jerusalem#Map by neighbourhoods needed. Arminden (talk) 18:51, 16 January 2022 (UTC)