Talk:Doctor Worm

I wrote the lyrics for Dr. Worm. It is autobiographical.--Dr. Worm 20:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• This man is an imposter. I wrote the lyrics.--DoctorWorm 08:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Lies! Two gimmick accounts! SYSTEM! OVERLOAD! 24.205.34.217 01:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
    • But, but, if you're a worm, how can you type? QuentinJamstar 01:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I may be nitpicking here, but the article seems (to me) to imply that Doctor Worm isn't actually a worm, which is stated pretty clearly (I.E. "Twirling the stick" or, even more clearly, "but I am a real worm I am an actual worm."). It can then also be assumed that Rabbi Vole is an actual Vole... Just saying 68.165.190.118 (talk) 06:09, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

2023: Has any reviewer ever said this song has Back on the Chain Gang vibes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweecoo (talk • contribs) 19:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Famous quote

I heard that he wrote the extremely famous phrase: "A shark on whiskey is mighty risky; a shark on beer is a beer engineer." Maybe it should be added to the article? Mike R (talk) 21:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

The Dr's gender

I feel a bit silly having to discuss this, but there has been some reverting. At some point, a change was made to degender the narrator. Not an edit I would make, but it seems fair considering the gender is not mentioned in the song, worms are hermaphrodites, and I can't find a source stating Dr Worm is male. I guess some might presume this is a "woke" change, but I'm just supporting a change that seems correct based on the evidence we have.

The change was originally made because of a silly joke edit where someone changed the character's gender to female. After some debate, it compromised on "they." Seems obvious to me that Dr. Worm is male - I've seen interviews where he's referred to as such, and he's portrayed by a male singer. As silly as it is, we can't use species to identify a sex as some worms do have specific sexes. And if lyrical ambiguity is the reason for making such assumptions, then we can assume that "worm" could mean anything from a planarian flatworm or bobbit worm to a caterpillar or even a dragon, as the term "worm" applies to all of those. Reversion back to the original identification makes sense, since it's both supported by the performance and was perfectly accepted before trolling caused the change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1014:B133:6BD9:CD48:20A0:C1C7:2238 (talk) 17:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Sung by a male singer is kinda meaningless. Jack White sings "Jolene". Sinatra does "My Funny Valentine", Joni Mitchell sings "I was a free man in Paris". If you can find an interview where Dr. Worm is declared male, we have no disagreement. Doctorhawkes (talk) 02:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I disagree.

in most songs, it's typically assumed that the singer either is the character in the song or shares many characteristics with the singer.

There are exceptions, but they usually explicitly identify this (Jack White or Joni Mitchell in your case) or are a cover (Sinatra). It'd be pretty absurd to go switching all song lyric talk to "they/them" simply because "the character's sex is ambiguous" because it's not explicitly identified in the song. most musicians are not making critical gender theory papers, so it'd be silly to assume this, like claiming Diane in "Jack & Diane" is male or sexless because her sex is not explicitly identified in the lyrics and the singer could be talking about a genderless utopia or a gay relationship.

And while I don't have every VH1 interview saved I can verify that the band doesnt correct people who identify the character as "he" in Facebook comments, meaning there's at least tacit acceptance of the character being or at least coded as male. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0TGsiqt49FJfybZCGdrxyiYvmggPLCvG96rRiWDjSTaerfAEBSypRQgR7cozsAEjJl&id=10655752394

And again, all this started because of a troll comment. There really should be no discussion over the character's sex, implied or otherwise. 2600:1014:B133:6BD9:CD48:20A0:C1C7:2238 (talk) 05:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Please don't revert until discussion has ended. If needed, we can request a 3rd opinion. Doctorhawkes (talk) 05:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Good solution! Doctorhawkes (talk) 05:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

This discussion could open a - can of worms! - for Wikipedia's song articles. Zing! 2600:1014:B133:6BD9:CD48:20A0:C1C7:2238 (talk) 05:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)