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Neutrality

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The lead section of this article seems to be all about Djokovic. I have tagged the article. We have to rewrite it in more neutral style. This article should be purely about the rivalry, not about Djokovic saving matchpoints or setting some record. MakeSense64 (talk) 09:51, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. I expanded the lead section about a year ago and the bias is or was already gone. Finally, I've completely re-written the article from top to bottom, paragraphing the Major sections and filling in other missing sections. I've added over 100 references to help verify things. When I began, nothing much was sourced at all as the article only had 9 sources. I've removed much of the poor wording throughout the article and cut back on the excessive superlatives where ever they were in favor of one player. I tried to give equal weight to both Federer and Djokovic in terms of photos, prose writing, and other comparisons of the two. A few things in the lead still need sourcing but I hope the article is in much better shape now than it was at least. Zup326 (talk) 14:20, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Head-to-head

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What's the difference between Best of five set matches: Federer, 6–4 and Matches lasting five sets: Djokovic, 2–0 ? --Sofffie7 (talk) 10:13, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Best of five sets means any match in which a player must win 3 sets out of 5. This includes Davis Cup and Grand Slam matches only. Matches that last five sets are a subset of "best of five set" matches: the matches which actually went the distance. Supertigerman (talk) 19:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

fanboyism of federer

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Federer squandering two match points in two USO semifinals? Federer having mononucleosusis at AO 2008?

I don' think this is unbisaed article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.113.134 (talk) 22:27, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Career Evolution Chart

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A lot of work has gone into the career evolution chart, but projecting it to 2018 seems a little strange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.146.120 (talk) 13:09, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wimbledon 2012

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This match was played under the roof, so I'm counting it as an indoor court win for Federer. Supertigerman (talk) 19:42, 6 July 2012 (UTC) I think thats no correct. The surface is determinated by the tournament type and Wimbledon is a grass outdoor court. I will change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.163.77.78 (talk) 05:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

IPTL 2014

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Djokovic did not lose to Federer 5-6. At that point, 'regulation games' over, they went into a most points in a certain time tiebreaker, which Djokovic won. That tied them 6-6, but it was all over because that tie meant the event was won by Nole's team, the UAE Royals — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.66.223.109 (talk) 11:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Combined clay results vs Rafael Nadal

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The limited consensus if that it would not be helpful. But with only two replies it may be necessary to redo this RFC and publicise it to a wider selection of editors. AlbinoFerret 03:40, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Is a list of Federer and Djokovic's combined clay results vs Rafael Nadal helpful to the article? See here for the list in question. Zup326 (talk) 23:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • No - I personally feel it strays much too far from the Federer/Djokoviv rivalry... what they do against another player is not part of their own rivalry and might open the door for even more trivial stats to appear. Perhaps it might fit better at the "Big Four" article by including how Murray has done against Nadal. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:07, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • No - A complete list of the combined clay results versus Nadal is too far outside the scope of this article and would amount to undue weight. Summarizing it into a sentence (or two) would be fine.--Wolbo (talk) 13:08, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Walkovers and H2H

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I believe that the final result in the table of all matches would not be 21:21, but 22:21 in favor of Djokovic. He won the match in ATP World Tour Finals 2014 that you didn't count, because Federer surrendered before the match start. This should also count as it should count in a case of surrender during the match. Who is better and who wins depends also on the capability at that moment. Someone is less capable (can be tired or injured or less prepared) and loses the match and someone does not feel capable at all to even try to play and then surrenders, but that should be counted the same as losing a played or partially played match if we want to be fully fair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.143.111.130 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 12 November 2015

The ATP excludes walkovers from head-to-head records (or any other win-loss records for that matter), so we follow that. Gap9551 (talk) 20:01, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

good article

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This one can be chosen as a good article.--Chinyen Lu (talk) 06:54, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Almost all pictures are in Federer favor

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  • Djokovic and Federer at the 2015 Cincinnati Masters final. Federer won
  • Federer put an end to Djokovic's 43-match win streak in a memorable semifinal at the 2011 French Open.
  • Federer and Djokovic at the Canadian Masters in 2010, moments before their encounter. Federer went on to win in three sets

By pictures Federer lead against Djokovic. Perhaps a little objectivity 31.223.129.232 (talk) 05:40, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You forgot the one with caption Djokovic won the 2010 and 2011 semifinals of the US Open against Federer, saving two match points in each. But out of the two pictures showing both players, indeed both matches were won by Federer. Can you replace one? Gap9551 (talk) 06:40, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can, but it will be the same after some time. This is the problem. Djokovic leading the head-to-head 27–23. Djokovic leads 13–6 in all finals and 11–6 in Grand Slam matches.

...and some put the picture where Djokovic holds losers trophy. Also other pictures are in Rogers favor. Look other articles. Nadal-Roger, Djokvic-Nadal, Murray etc. 31.223.129.91 (talk) 08:46, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It can be a problem when one player is the overwhelming fan favorite. We can change some but you are correct that it may get changed back. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:30, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've just made a few changes, hopefully for the better? ForzaUV (talk) 06:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually too many pics which we try to limit to 10. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:28, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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