Talk:Islamic schools and branches

Differences between Sunni, Shia and Ibadi Islam was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 30 June 2021 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Islamic schools and branches. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Differences between Sunni, Shia and Ibadi Islam was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 29 June 2021 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Islamic schools and branches. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Ahmadiyya is not Muslim or sunni cast or branch . Need correction and plz remove it .

Its is declared by government of Pakistan and school of thoughts and beliefs that Ahmadiyya is not a branch or sect of Islam or any sunni sect. Here is a helpful link that you can trace deobandi school of thoughts India and much more material.

Government of Pakistan - Law for Ahmadis Imran8here (talk) 21:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A government, a court, or another branch of a religion has no right to tell a group of people what they are or are not. Wikipedia doesn't take sides in such disputes. Doug Weller talk 14:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 03:08, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Druze do not belong in this article or in that image/chart

As someone has well documented in the article and cited the unique distinction of Druze as it’s own belief system separate from any other religious group while at the same time borrowing from most of the major religions in the world-from their holy texts to their prophets-It takes from Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Greek philosophy and even Teachings from the Far East...

Long story short...Druze are not Muslims and do not identify as such. The image/chart at the top of the article needs to be replaced or modified so that there is no need to include the section on Druze, which disrupts the article and contradicts (rightfully) what most readers will first see... Ramahamalincoln (talk) 07:57, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting inputs

Greetings,

Adequate and nuanced overview for even non– Muslim audience is expected out of the articles Muslims and Muslim world. Whether the articles are achieving that purpose adequately? Requesting and expecting proactive participation in providing inputs from non–Muslim audience too along with Muslim users.

Since the article Muslim world is tagged various improvements it can not be submitted to formal review process still I feel the article deserves more inputs for content improvement.

Requesting your visit to the articles

Muslims and
Muslim world

and provide your inputs @

Thanks

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 06:49, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmaddiya are not considered Muslim by a vast majority

Hello to the moderator of the article/page here, An Sunni Muslim speaking. As you might have heard from my title it is that the Ahmaddiya aren't considered Muslims by vast majority of Muslims around the world that is because the founder of Ahmaddiya movement claimed to be a prophet which is considered an unethical and extremely controversial topic.

The basic structure of Islam is on the oneness of Allah and the acceptance on the last prophet, which was totally rejected by Ahmadis and their founder and due to this till todays date there are alot of Muslims around the world that still curse him and his grave in Qadian, India.

I now hereby make my conclusion that to appeal and meet the general standard of Muslim community, you guys give a special page for Ahmadis or atleast give it a unique status that is different from its current one so that Muslims around the world viewing these articles daily are pleased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NameIsShaheer (talk • contribs) 17:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia and will not bend to the moral, religious, or views of any particular sect or government, or their opinions about another. DMacks (talk) 21:33, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Signed. NameIsShaheer (talk) 17:17, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmedia are Non Muslims , Pls Correct the Page.

Ahmedia are Non Muslims , Pls Correct the Page. 39.45.12.111 (talk) 06:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia and will not bend to the moral, religious, or views of any particular sect or government, or their opinions about another. DMacks (talk) 21:33, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

@GenoV84: you are reverting without opening the link! It is a disruptive behaviour. The survey is about people who responded that they consider themselves as "just muslim" not about the fact a certain percentage of the population belongs to Non-denominational Muslims. Panam2014 (talk) 18:39, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Panam2014: My edit summary and the warning that I left on your talk page are accurate. You added this ([1]) entirely biased and unsourced POV commentary to the article, didn't you? Because it definitely wasn't there the last time that I checked the article. Moreover, deleting sourced content with reliable references qualifies as disruptive editing on Wikipedia. Wikipedia doesn't care if you disagree with a survey, it's still a reliable source and therefore it can be cited here. Stop with your disruptive editing.

GenoV84 (talk) 18:40, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Link and cite it on the article's talk page. GenoV84 (talk) 18:41, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GenoV84: the source is badly used. The source is not about NDM. Panam2014 (talk) 18:41, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Panam2014: Well now, I read the survey and it's fairly clear that you are misreading or misrepresenting the source itself, since the Pew Research survey explicitly speaks of Muslims worldwide who choose not to affiliate with a specific sect, aka Non-denominational Muslims. Therefore, the content that you keep deleting is sourced and accurate, fully in accordance with the cited source which you keep disparaging with your useless edit warring:

“Just a Muslim”

"Many Muslims worldwide choose not to affiliate with a specific sect but volunteer that they are “just a Muslim.” This affiliation is most common in Central Asia and across Southern and Eastern Europe; in both regions, the median percentage stating they are “just a Muslim” is half or more. In Kazakhstan, nearly three-quarters (74%) of Muslims volunteer this response, as do more than six-in-ten Muslims in Albania (65%) and Kyrgyzstan (64%).

In sub-Saharan Africa and Southeast Asia, substantial minorities also consider themselves “just a Muslim” (medians of 23% and 18%, respectively). And in three countries – Indonesia (56%), Mali (55%) and Cameroon (40%) – “just a Muslim” is the single most-frequent response when people are queried about their sect. Identification as “just a Muslim” is less prevalent in the Middle East and North Africa (median of 12%) and South Asia (median of 4%)." GenoV84 (talk) 18:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Panam2014: You need to prove it, don't just make claims without evidence. GenoV84 (talk) 18:43, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GenoV84: I have proved it by the source. Panam2014 (talk) 18:44, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Many Muslims worldwide choose not to affiliate with a specific sect but volunteer that they are “just a Muslim.” This affiliation is most common in Central Asia and across Southern and Eastern Europe; in both regions, the median percentage stating they are “just a Muslim” is half or more. In Kazakhstan, nearly three-quarters (74%) of Muslims volunteer this response, as do more than six-in-ten Muslims in Albania (65%) and Kyrgyzstan (64%).

In sub-Saharan Africa and Southeast Asia, substantial minorities also consider themselves “just a Muslim” (medians of 23% and 18%, respectively). And in three countries – Indonesia (56%), Mali (55%) and Cameroon (40%) – “just a Muslim” is the single most-frequent response when people are queried about their sect. Identification as “just a Muslim” is less prevalent in the Middle East and North Africa (median of 12%) and South Asia (median of 4%)." Panam2014 (talk) 18:42, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Panam2014: What is the page? GenoV84 (talk) 18:44, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GenoV84: HERE Panam2014 (talk) 18:44, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Panam2014: Well now, I read the survey and it's fairly clear that you are misreading or misrepresenting the source itself, since the Pew Research survey explicitly speaks of Muslims worldwide who choose not to affiliate with a specific sect, aka Non-denominational Muslims. Therefore, the content that you keep deleting is sourced and accurate, fully in accordance with the cited source which you keep disparaging with your useless edit warring:

“Just a Muslim”

"Many Muslims worldwide choose not to affiliate with a specific sect but volunteer that they are “just a Muslim.” This affiliation is most common in Central Asia and across Southern and Eastern Europe; in both regions, the median percentage stating they are “just a Muslim” is half or more. In Kazakhstan, nearly three-quarters (74%) of Muslims volunteer this response, as do more than six-in-ten Muslims in Albania (65%) and Kyrgyzstan (64%).

In sub-Saharan Africa and Southeast Asia, substantial minorities also consider themselves “just a Muslim” (medians of 23% and 18%, respectively). And in three countries – Indonesia (56%), Mali (55%) and Cameroon (40%) – “just a Muslim” is the single most-frequent response when people are queried about their sect. Identification as “just a Muslim” is less prevalent in the Middle East and North Africa (median of 12%) and South Asia (median of 4%)." GenoV84 (talk) 18:53, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GenoV84: nope "just a muslim" is not Non-denominational Muslims. It is your own interpretation. See WP:OR. Panam2014 (talk) 18:53, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Many Muslims worldwide choose not to affiliate with a specific sect but volunteer that they are “just a Muslim.” Read the survey again and stop lying, because that's exactly what the source says. Deleting sourced content with reliable references qualifies as disruptive editing on Wikipedia. Wikipedia doesn't care if you disagree with a survey, it's still a reliable source and therefore it can be cited here. Stop with your disruptive editing. GenoV84 (talk) 18:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GenoV84: again it is your own interpretation of the source. If it was clear the source should use clearly the terms NDM. Panam2014 (talk) 19:17, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Read the source again, and prove it. GenoV84 (talk) 19:24, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GenoV84: The source is clear, it is you who divert it. You are not compromising by rephrasing the problematic sentence. Panam2014 (talk) 19:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Panam2014: You have been reported to WP:ANI for insults and personal attacks. GenoV84 (talk) 20:00, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]