Talk:Disneyland Railroad/Archive 1

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Why does Disney World Railroad redirect here

Like is says. That should be a different article. There is no WDWrr content here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.68.189 (talk) 13:42, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Paragraph 3 under "History"

Two more locomotives were later acquired from outside sources, since this was cheaper than building new ones and since many narrow-gauge lines were closing down and selling their equipment. All three were given extensive renovations before entering service, including new boilers. Number 4 and the new number 5 are "Forney" locomotives, a type of tank locomotive. As an 1894 product of the Baldwin Locomotive Works, number 4 is the oldest locomotive in service at any Disney property.

Bullet 3 under "Locomotives"

3: Fred Gurley, built by Baldwin Locomotive Works in 1894, went into service at Disneyland March 28, 1958. The locomotive, named for the then-current chairman of the ATSF, is the oldest single piece of railroad equipment in use at any Disney theme park. The 2-4-4T tank locomotive, used in Louisiana to transport sugar cane, was purchased in working condition for US$1300; nevertheless, more than $35,000 was expended on its restoration.

Locomotives

The "History" paragraph introduces "two more" locomotives, then tells us "all three" were given extensive renovations. I'm thinking this should be "both", not "all three". And I don't know which locomotive is really the oldest, number 3 or number 4...?

Fred Gurley at Fullerton event

I added a listing for the Gurley 2008 appearance because I attended the event and witnessed it being there.Dgabbard (talk) 23:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Voice

Anyone know who's voice that is for the: "The disneyland limited, now ariving from a trip around walt disneys magic kingdom! passengers will stand by to board" and all the other things he says?

I believe it's that of actor Vic Perrin.--Lordkinbote 05:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I have it in print that it's a fellow named Pierre Renoudlet (sp?) - Lucky 6.9 22:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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Unsourced material

The following is unsourced information:

• From 1955 until 1974 (when the railroad's sponsorship ended), the Santa Fe "rail pass" was honored in lieu of the required "D" coupon.
• By Disneyland's own estimates, the trains make more than 13,000 trips around the park annually.
• Ever since the trains first started operating in 1955, they have covered enough track to circle the globe more than 150 times.
• The Fred Gurley was displayed at the annual Fullerton Railroad Days in 2008.
• A black panther used to reside on a weird rock formation that was often stated to be a repainted version of the mountain lion from Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland. Rumors are false and the popular Adventureland panther was removed with the narration that the guests should watch out for lions, tigers, and Tiki birds.
• A massive attraction called Indiana Jones and the Lost Expedition was planned to have Indiana Jones Adventure, Jungle Cruise, a mine cart coaster, and the railroad inside would have had the trains go over the Jungle Cruise and nearly fall off a trestle bridge inside the temple.

While this is interesting, we can't use it unless you provide a source. Also, none of this is really trivia, as trivia by its definition is "unimportant information" - it therefore shouldn't be in a trivia section but instead the information should be incorporated into the main article. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 09:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC) I would tend to disagree, except perhaps the number of yearly trips (circuits? miles?), which would be central information about any railroad. The information about the panther and undeveloped features might be interesting in an article that was considerably longer, discussing implementation details. (There is a book with such information, btw, I'll have to hunt it down, though.) The "circle the globe" fact has not much more encyclopedic value than "is about 35,000,000 times the length of the Statue of Liberty's right arm" -- what would be useful is to compare the yearly distance travelled to other similar railroads -- it's probably more than all the narrow gauge traffic in the UK combined, for example, or ten times the next biggest American narrow gauge. Piano non troppo (talk) 22:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Telegraph

Maybe we can add exactly what the telegraph says at the new orleans staion in disneyland. I think it would be very interesting. Maybe some pictures of the trains and maybe even the round house... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bowlnmike (talk • contribs) 07:06, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

The telegraph message is an excerpt from Walt's opening day speech. As for pictures of the roundhouse, it's strictly against company policy for photos to be taken backstage at Disneyland. 75.92.123.43 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC).

You can see a bit of the roundhouse from the train. I have a photo at http://yosemitephotos.net/main.php/v/disneyland/cm-dsc_2203.jpg.html Eeekster (talk) 22:34, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Links

I think the links need to be cleaned up significantly, as several of them are specific to the Walt Disney World Railroad, as opposed to the Disneyland Railway. 75.92.123.43 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC).

Multiple Errors Corrected

Upon receiving email from Steve deGaetano who is a noted DLRR historian, made corrections per his recommendations.

Here's a nice selection, Mas, as promised:

--The line features automatic block signals (not any more)
--Locomotive #2, the flagship (flagship??)
--Locomotive #1 serviced the Frontierland depot, hauling a freight train consisting of cattle cars, gondolas numbered 201–207 and a caboose #208 (the original freight train only had six cars)
--Hong Kong's, however, are steam-outline locomotives due to the lack of steam knowledge in the country. (Seriously? China was still running main line steam until just a few years ago).
--There were only two train sets on opening day—the yellow passenger coaches of the Retlaw 1 train, which only stopped at Main Street Station, and the red cattle cars, gondolas and caboose of the Holiday 2 train, (it was "Retlaw 2" not Holiday 2.)
--The trains were entirely fabricated new in the carpentry shops at the Disney Studios in Burbank (they were built on soundstages)
-- Even the couplers, wheels and trucks were cast new with raised Disneyland 1955 lettering.(The couplers were not made by Disney, and don't have Disneyland lettering)
--A third set of cars, train number 300, debuted in 1958(Actually, they started out in the 600 series. See? I'm nitpicky!)
--Shortly after the diorama's opening in 1958, the #100 train set of clerestory-roofed yellow passenger coaches with forward-facing seats, made famous on the park's opening day broadcast, were removed from service and stacked behind the Roundhouse (They weren't removed from service completey until 1974
--Lilly Belle. #106 is not a presidential coach; its first official passenger was Japanese Emperor Hirohito, if one is so inclined it would be an Imperial Palatial Car. (Imperial Palatial Car?? Wha???)
--It (the combine) was traded away, and traded again, but the new owner was interested only in operating revenue cars which matched.(I seriously don't know where people come up with this stuff. It's just not true).
-- the engines that were...built at the Disney Studios for the park. (They were built in the Roundhouse at Disneyland).
-- ..a cylinder blowdown at New Orleans/Frontierland Station...(There's no such thing as a "cylinder blowdown")
--the Grand Canyon diorama painted by artist Delmer J. Yoakum (added to what was once a long tunnel through a backstage service area) (There was no "long tunnel through a backstage service area")
--In 1999, Disney purchased the inoperable Maud L locomotive from the Cedar Point Amusement Park in Sandusky, Ohio, (They didn't puchase it; they traded a locomotive for it)
--The Frontierland Station was renovated to become the New Orleans Square station when that section of the park opened in 1966 (It wasn't renamed New Orleans Square station until very recently).
-- It was donated to Walt Disney himself around 1955 by railroad historian and Disney friend Jerry Best.(there's no evidence of this--not even in the Archives).
--This engine was also known to be Walt Disney's personal favorite.(again, this is unsupported).
--A commemorative brass plaque celebrating the Gurley's centennial was mounted in the cab in 1994 (there never was a brass plaque in the cab; a plastic plaque meant to look like brass was mounted under the engine's running board).
--the conductor uses the same patterns with a button which activates a buzzer in the cab of the locomotive. (They have bells, not buzzers).

As you can see, making these changes can be pretty arduous. While the overall article isn't bad, it just has too many errors for it to really be considered a reliable source.

Good luck!

Nish221 (talk) 18:48, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

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News butcher?

"The combine car from the Disneyland Railroad's former Retlaw 1 passenger train, one of the DRR's two original train sets, was Walt Disney's favorite train car on the railroad, as it brought back memories from his youth working as a news butcher on the Missouri Pacific Railway."

What does "news butcher" mean? If it's a real term and not vandalism it should be explained.--agr (talk) 13:57, 7 August 2017 (UTC)  Done

@ArnoldReinhold: Yes, "news butcher" is a real term. It was a job that involved selling newspapers, candy, cigars, and other products to passengers onboard trains. It was actually a pretty common job for young boys a century ago. Thomas Edison was a news butcher when he was a kid, also, but he lost that job after he set a combine car on fire due to white phosphorus igniting in a chemistry set he had onboard. The term is not used in modern times, which explains why there is no Wikipedia article about it. This same issue came up during its featured article review and was removed elsewhere in the article as a result, but it looks like we overlooked this mention of it. I just corrected that in the article. Jackdude101 ^{talk cont} 14:25, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@Jackdude101: Thanks for the info. I'd be inclined to add a section to Newspaper hawker on the railroad jobs, with a redirect from News butcher, and put the term back. Do you have any good sources?--agr (talk) 15:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@ArnoldReinhold: Yes, two of the books used as sources in the article mention the term and describe it in detail, including the Edison bit I mentioned above. Jackdude101 ^{talk cont} 15:07, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@Jackdude101: I see the Broggie (2014) p.36 reference, what is the other book ref? If I add something to the Newspaper hawker could you check that the references support what I wrote? I'm thinking about adapting the words you used above, something like "It was also common in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries for young boys to work as "news butchers", selling newspapers, candy, cigars, and other products to passengers onboard trains. Thomas Edison was a news butcher in his youth, also, but he lost that job after he set a combine car on fire due to white phosphorus igniting in a chemistry set he had onboard. Walt Disney worked as news butcher on the Missouri Pacific Railway as a teenager, and his memories of that experience influenced his design of the Disneyland Railroad." --agr (talk) 15:26, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@ArnoldReinhold: The other source is the Amendola (2015) book. It was not used to reference the term in the article, but that's the one where the Edison info is located. I can get the related page numbers for you and review things later today. Jackdude101 ^{talk cont} 15:34, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Great, thanks.--agr (talk) 16:00, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@ArnoldReinhold: Most of the news butcher info in the Broggie book is from pages 35 to 40 (the mention about the combine coach being Disney's favorite and how it reminded him of his youth is on page 222); the Edison info in the Amendola book is on page 22. Also, FYI, the "It was also common in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries" info is implied by the source material, but it doesn't state it outright. Jackdude101 ^{talk cont} 23:32, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@Jackdude101: I've made the additions to the Newspaper hawker article and News butcher is now live. Thanks for all your help. Do you want to add the link back to this article in its original location?--agr (talk) 10:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@ArnoldReinhold: I added the link to the article where the term was originally mentioned in the first paragraph after the lead section, and I added the term back to the Train cars section. I also added it to the Carolwood Pacific Railroad article, which has a lot of similar info. Jackdude101 ^{talk cont} 11:28, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Great, I think we are done. Thanks again for your help in rescuing a tiny bit of history.--agr (talk) 19:08, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Masons

The two 2-4-4 locomotives are no Masons. Masons have the distinctive feature of having the driving wheels mounted on a bogie (Mason Bogie), so they are articulated locomotives. This is not the case with No. 3 and No. 5. --93.104.122.238 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:30, 22 February 2018 (UTC)  Done

You are correct and this has been fixed. Per the Whyte notation article, this is known as a Boston-type wheel arrangement. Jackdude101 ^talk cont 20:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC)