Talk:Disappearance of Andrew Gosden

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Stretch?

"Stretch the top 5% of pupils", this is obviously a case of British english (possibly archaic?), but I don't think anyone in America would understand this (I had to look it up). Would finding an alternative phrase be worthwhile, or is it OK as is? Just asking. Mercster (talk) 03:44, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi; stretch is definitely not archaic, it's a modern concept. The source states the word stretch specifically, however, I recognize that it may be confusing for some readers (though I think most will understand the basic concept). I did look for a wikilink that helped define stretch, but couldn't find one. OED states " Cause (someone) to make maximum use of their talents or abilities. ‘It's too easy—it doesn't stretch me’". If it needs changing to make its readability easier, than I am happy for that. Any suggestions? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 07:40, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Well, in American english we might use "push", but that also may not be understandable to all. Uhm...challenge? Mercster (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ah.... challenge has negative connotations in British English (for whom the greatest part of a readership will be drawn from due to Gosden being British). Educationally Challenged means someone is not very clever, Vertically Challenged means someone is small, etc, etc. How about a combination phrase? Andrew Gosden was a bright mathematics student who was on a government-sponsored programme to push the abilities of the top five per cent of school pupils? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:39, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes ... "physically challenged" and then just "challenged" used to be a popular euphemism for disability over here, as well. Daniel Case (talk) 02:53, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if the meaning of "Stretch" actually comes from the business performance world, as in a "Stretch Target" being a target to aspire to but is realistically difficult to achieve. The "the top 5% of pupils" could probably also called "A+" or "straight A" students in other education systems. I wonder if saying the course was designed to "extend the abilities of these talented students". The current wording in the article doesn't seems to properly convey the intent of the course. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 22:03, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiable sources

There have been persistent attempts to link to a YouTube video of a conversation with Kevin Gosden. This source is self-published, amateur, unprofessional, has no editorial oversight and is therefore not deemed to be a verifiable source under the following guidance: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Self-published_sources_(online_and_paper)

In any case this video contains no new information of any value to this page. The fact that the man who reported the potential sighting of Andrew never explained why he did not wait for the police to arrive at Leominster Police Station is implied from other, better sources and in any case is irrelevant minutiae. Nacentaeons (talk) 08:50, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Some images have been added to show Kings Cross station. I am inclined to think that these are not relevant as they show the station as it is today and not in 2007. It was remodelled substantially in the intervening years so I feel this information is redundant and I propose deleting them. If anyone can find relevant images of the station in 2007 then they should be included.

Podcast references

I intend to remove the time stamps for the podcast references from the main body of the text. They break up the flow of text and provide a spurious level of detail. Nacentaeons (talk) 19:35, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Nacentaeons: The inclusion of the time stamps are important and are supposed to be included per Wikipedia:Citing sources#Audio and video sources. Please don't remove them.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:56, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am not intending to remove the time stamp from the references. I was the person who referenced each time stamp for the many podcast references and this is valuable information. I can’t find anything in the link you posted to say that the time stamp needs to appear in the body of the article itself. Is Wikipedia bringing these time stamps in from the references automatically? They were not there when I originally added these references. Nacentaeons (talk) 20:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Nacentaeons, I misread your post and thought you were intending to remove the time stamps from the references themselves. Rereading it now that's clearly not the case. -- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

IP comment moved from article page Keith D (talk) 11:57, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone cross referenced other attendees of the 'Lancaster Gifted' conference he attended just prior? He had a noted change from his normally subdued dolorous behavior to ebullient. He met someone or had some 'heartening' act. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.145.0.131 (talk • contribs) 05:04, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

2007 at King's Cross railway station

If any editors want to discuss inclusion of images of King's Cross railway station other than resembling as the concourse was in 2007 then discussion can be made here. At the time of disappearance in 2007, the temporary concourse building (1972-2012) was still in place so images after 2012 differ significantly. Darrelljon (talk) 12:24, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Darrelljon (talk) 14:23, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]