Talk:Dato Arroyo

Article title history

• at 05:20, 3 July 2010 124.217.7.19 started the article D.M.A. (usurping a redirect to Doctor of Musical Arts)
• at 04:50, 5 August 2010 Green Giant moved page D.M.A. to Diosdado Macapagal-Arroyo (We do not refer to people by initialisms)
• at 15:08, 23 January 2011 JL 09 moved page Diosdado Macapagal-Arroyo to Diosdado Macapagal—Arroyo (emdash)
• at 15:11, 23 January 2011 JL 09 moved page Diosdado Macapagal—Arroyo to Diosdado Macapagal–Arroyo (en dash)
• at 08:44, 29 June 2015 Paoloplopeniomoved page Diosdado Macapagal–Arroyo to Diosdado Ignacio Macapagal Arroyo
• at 11:29, 29 June 2015 WayKurat moved page Diosdado Ignacio Macapagal Arroyo to Diosdado Macapagal–Arroyo over redirect (reverted to original title, if you want to move it, please have a consensus in the talk page)
• at 14:01, 16 September 2015 RioHondo moved page Diosdado Macapagal–Arroyo to Diosdado Macapagal Arroyo over redirect (rm dash)

This is a lot of moves, with no discussion before any of them, that I can see.

Before the page is moved to Dato Arroyo (yet another different title), there should be a discussion to ensure there's a consensus that this is the best title. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:50, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I only moved the page to remove that weird en-dash between this person's middle name and surname. My understanding is that hyphened surnames only apply to married Filipinas or Filipino married women where their maiden surnames are appended by their husband's surnames. At least, that's how I interpretted this weird Filipino practice which i know is not a rule for all married Filipinas because middle names and surnames are naturally separated without hyphens in i think all Philippine government forms and records. It certainly is not the standard for Filipino men regardless of marital status. Maybe we should include this in MOS:PHIL about names of Filipinos @Seav, @JWilz12345, @P199. E.g, it's Fidel Valdez Ramos or Fidel V. Ramos and never Fidel Valdez-Ramos, how weird is that? Another example, Bimby Aquino Yap or Bimby A. Yap but never Bimby Aquino-Yap. Wait, the boy got married and turned into a she? ;)--RioHondo (talk) 15:22, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

  Sorry @RioHondo:. I can't comment or help about this right now, as there's an ongoing matter at Wikimedia Commons over hundreds of Philippine photos slapped with deletion requests due to "no FoP", with a central debate seen at Commons:Commons talk:Copyright rules by territory/Philippines#New discussion on PHL FoP. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 03:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

  No worries. That can wait. But FoP problems have been going on here since forever or eversince i joined like 10 years ago. People are still going to continue uploading photos to replace those that have been deleted. Ask judgefloro Lol. The last time mass deletions took place due to nFoP, i think even contributors themselves got banned, ask FVelasquez Lol. That is why if you noticed most building pics in Manila/elsewhere in PH are from the last 4-5 years only. Those pics taken before 2014 are mostly gone now, all those earlier photo contests mostly zero. So dont stress yourself too much ;)--RioHondo (talk) 08:01, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

• Move to Dato Arroyo. This is certainly the WP:COMMONNAME for this person, similar to Bong Go (not Christopher Go), Bongbong Marcos (not Ferdinand Marcos Jr.), and Leni Robredo (not Maria Leonor Gerona Robredo). —seav (talk) 18:35, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
• Move to Dato Arroyo. (1) The article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known (WP:MOSBIO). (2) To avoid confusion with his grandfather and namesake, Diosdado Macapagal. --Jollibinay (talk) 14:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 18 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 04:47, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

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Diosdado Macapagal Arroyo → Dato Arroyo – WP:COMMONNAME. Current name causes some confusion with the article of his grandfather (and I am one of those that got confused, just now as of this writing). See also the post above. Per precedent with: Bong Go vs. "Christopher Go" and Leni Robredo vs. "Maria Leonor Robredo". JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 09:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Move to Dato Arroyo per nom and above. Seemplez ^{{{ping}} me} 13:02, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Move to Diosdado Arroyo. The middle name is unnecessary and is the source of confusion here. Male Filipinos normally dont carry maternal surnames anyway unless for dab purposes. Usage of this politician's nickname in RSs is not overwhelming but the first name is always mentioned. Also, as with articles on other presidential namesakes, we use their common first name, e.,g Benigno Aquino Jr. and Benigno Aquino III, even when Ninoy and Noynoy are more popular names for them.--RioHondo (talk) 07:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Move per nom. The two references used in the actual article call him "Dato" in the headline. That's clear indication of what he is usually called... at least when he was married. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:36, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Support the move to Dato Arroyo per above/nom. ----Rdp060707|Let's discuss about the plans 11:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.