Talk:Depictions of the sacrifice of Iphigenia

Greece Low‑importance

	Greece portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Greece, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Greece on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GreeceWikipedia:WikiProject GreeceTemplate:WikiProject GreeceGreek articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Classical Greece and Rome

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, a group of contributors interested in Wikipedia's articles on classics. If you would like to join the WikiProject or learn how to contribute, please see our project page. If you need assistance from a classicist, please see our talk page.Classical Greece and RomeWikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and RomeTemplate:WikiProject Classical Greece and RomeClassical Greece and Rome articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Women's History Low‑importance

	History portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women's history and related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women's HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject Women's HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Women's HistoryWomen's History articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Mythology

	Mythology portal This article is supported by WikiProject Mythology. This project provides a central approach to Mythology-related subjects on Wikipedia. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the WikiProject page for more details.MythologyWikipedia:WikiProject MythologyTemplate:WikiProject MythologyMythology articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Untitled

In the second paragraph, you start 4 sentences with "he", one after the other. Paisanias is an unusual name in modern language, so it is alright to restate who you are talking about.

Simplify headings above each section: The entire article is about "Dipictions of the death of Iphiginia", so you don't need headings longer than the article title. Keep it simple, such as "Incription at Delphi", and "Temple of Artemis engraving".

Simplify last paragraph: "It is seen" is used twice to start adjacent sentences. As an example, you could say "At the base of one column, there is an image of Iphigenia being accompanied by Apollo". One does not need to state that the temple had columns.

You have a good start to the article. Just make sure to proofread. Lawrence L.P. (talk) 01:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Raeitesfazghi.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 19:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review

This is a good start. I like the structure of it. The whole thing could be a little more beefy though, especially the intro. Maybe include more details about the story. What crime did Agamemnon commit? That could be relevant in any portrayals of the story we might find in pottery & whatnot. That brings up another question. What media did this story find its way into? Pottery? Tombs? Frescoes? It would help if you included a few photos, especially considering this is an article about art. Also, what Temple of Artemis are you talking about? Where is it? What peoples built it? Maybe see if you can find a quote from Paisanias' account. I think there's a way to format the text so that it looks fancy and quotey n stuff. You could also add a subheading for references to this story in other literature. That counts as a depiction even if it's a literary one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srhooker (talk • contribs) 23:30, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sunni's Comment

Hi Raei, I think you have a decent start to your article. You definitely need to emphasize that your article is about depictions of Iphegenia in ART, so emphasizing the Temple of Artemis is important, not just talking about Pausanias. I think you could also compare the different depictions of her in another paragraph, such as the ones at the temple and also in the mosaics! Please try and add some pictures, and a more well-rounded article not just about Pausanias, but more of a focus on Iphegenia. Keep working! Sunniobrien (talk) 22:08, 14 November 2017 (UTC)Sunni O'Brien[reply]

Comments from Prof. Paga

Hi Raei - this is a solid start! You've got some really good comments from 2 peer-reviewers as well as Sunni, and I encourage you to address their concerns / questions. Here are a few suggestions of my own.

Definitely try to include at least 1 image. If you do the image/media training module, you'll see how to use the CCSearch website, which should allow you to search for appropriate copyright images.
As Sunni emphasized, this article needs to be about art, so you should another section or two about specific objects. For instance, there are several vases that show the sacrifice of Iphigenia, so a description of one or more of those would be good. Perhaps also a section about the mosaic you mention. You also need to specify where this temple of Artemis is located. There are lots of temples to Artemis throughout the Mediterranean, so make sure to provide a precise location for it.
Try to find more scholarly / academic sources to beef up your article. Check the reserve books in Swem, for instance, or some of the approved websites discussed by your TF in the Learning Session about primary sources (Perseus, ArtStor, the Beazley Archive, etc.).

Jpaga (talk) 16:17, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The title of this article "Depictions of the death Iphigenia" is misleading and should be changed.

The artwork depicting Iphigenia does not depict the actual "death" of Iphigenia, and in fact all of them imply that Iphigenia was not in fact sacrificed but substituted in the last moment with a deer by Artemis. This is, for instance, the case of the Volute Krater vase, which the article mentions, but clearly fails to describe the minor "detail" that shows Iphigenia being substituted by a deer.

Moreover, the play "Iphigenia in Aulis" by Euripedes does not make the claim that Iphigenia dies, counter to the claim in this article. In the available manuscript it ends with Iphigenia being substituted by a deer. Though it is generally agreed that this was not part of the original play but was added afterwords (possibly by Euripedes' son), a fragment in Aelian's Historia animalium 7:39 nevertheless indicates that Euripides originally had intended for Artemis, speaking deus ex machina to be consoling Clytemnestra with her plan to substitute the deer for her daughter.

https://public.wsu.edu/~delahoyd/mythology/aulis.html

Since Euripedes' earlier play "Iphigenia in Tauris" clearly has Iphigenia surviving the attempted sacrifice, it is reasonable to assume that he did not intend for to die in his subsequent play "Iphigenia in Aulis"

Jacob D (talk) 10:08, 19 March 2019 (UTC)Jacob D[reply]