Talk:Delayed grief

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Amanda Knox

There is no source whatsoever that confirms your claim that Amanda Knox's sobbing was in fact delayed grief; so, to include her as an example in this article violates WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Salvio giuliano (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is not rocket science: "sobbing uncontrollably" during a conversation, days after a death, is an example of "delayed grief". That is not an original idea. Consider that text again:

In November 2007, a few days after the murder of Meredith Kercher,^[1] her roommate and new friend Amanda Knox was being questioned by police at their 2-month hillside house, overlooking a valley on the edge of Perugia, Italy. The police officer knew the house was isolated, alone on that part of the hill,^[1] and when he made a remark that he was going "next door" to ask the neighbors if they had heard anything, perhaps as a quip to lighten the mood, instead of laughing Amanda Knox began "sobbing uncontrollably".^[1] Her boyfriend at the time, Raffaele Sollecito, said, a few days after the murder, that in private, Knox had wept with grief and screamed, "How could anyone do this?" ^[2]

Delayed grief is not a medical mystery requiring a blood test and a CAT scan. The 2nd source confirms the first, by saying "wept with grief" plus, it even uses the word grief (just in case anyone thought "sobbing uncontrollably" wasn't). Furthermore, the 2nd source adds that she screamed, "How could anyone do this?" There is no doubt that she was upset about her friend's death. Now just because there are 2 sources, that doesn't imply WP:SYN (advancing a "cause"). The 2 sources are actually both: (A) delayed grief in sobbing, plus (A) delayed "wept with grief" leading to A+A, as both delayed grief. I don't see any hint of A+B=C "advancing a cause" here. If someone thinks that Sollecito must have lied about the weeping (why?), and I guess the police chief lied about the sobbing, or the reporters lied about those 2 interviews, or the reliable sources lied in print. Therefore, condemning the sources, it would not be delayed grief. But that's not how Wikipedia handles sources. There is no synthesis of 2 separate ideas, as WP:SYN to "advance a cause" and the idea of sobbing, or weeping, is not a WP:OR original view of grief. -Wikid77 (talk) 08:17, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is not rocket science: "sobbing uncontrollably" during a conversation, days after a death, is an example of "delayed grief". No, it's just WP:OR. Find a source that talks about delayed grief and I'll be forever quiet. You can call me Salvio (talk) 11:17, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b ^c "Amanda Knox Italian Police Bombshell: We Knew She Was Guilty", Doug Longhini, investigative producer for "48 Hours | Mystery", 18 March 2010, web: C3.
^ "Meredith: Orgy of Death", Neil Syson, in Perugia, Italy, 7 November 2007, web: S85

May not exist?

George_Bonanno#Four_Trajectories_of_Grief_and_Trauma_Reactions says there is no evidence that delayed grief actually happens in the real world. It may be one of those hypotheses that didn't pan out. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's why the recent example with Amanda Knox illustrates a real case of delayed grief, as noted in the sources above. According to her mother, Amanda Knox refused to leave Italy, for America or Germany, the day after the murder, and insisted she wanted to help the police find out what happened to her friend. When inspectors first arrived, she and Sollecito had invited them into the house, even though they had come to see roommate Filomena who was travelling. The police recorded that Knox pointed out each area of blood, in each room, that they had spotted in the house. Some time later, when the police chief arrived on the isolated hillside, he made the quip that he would go "next door" to ask the non-existent neighbors what they had heard, and instead of laughing, Amanda began "sobbing uncontrollably" (quote) in the middle of the conversation with the police officer. Such an extreme expression of grief, at a later and inappropriate time (during a conversation), is a classic example of delayed grief. -Wikid77 (talk) 08:37, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, that strikes me as normal grief, and a normal response to a traumatic event, during a highly relevant situation (talking about the murder). People don't usually recover from discovering bloody murder in their own homes in the space of a few days.

If you want this article to include that as an example of delayed grief, you must find a source that directly and unquestionably says exactly that. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:39, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

[CBS-1] "Amanda Knox Italian Police Bombshell: We Knew She Was Guilty", Doug Longhini, investigative producer for "48 Hours | Mystery", 18 March 2010, web: C3.

[7Nov07-2] "Meredith: Orgy of Death", Neil Syson, in Perugia, Italy, 7 November 2007, web: S85

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