Talk:Decimus Junius Brutus Albinus

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Decimus as Brutus in "Et tu Brute?"

ive actually heard somewhere (i think shiono nanami) that decimus was the brutus in caesar's et tu brute, because he was actually mentioned in caesar's will as the second heir, if octavian refused, he would be caesar's heir. also i heard that marcuz brutus was not really close to caesar, but decimus was, having fought for him for many years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.128.175 (talk) 03:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Too Short

There is so much more that could be in this article as his life was more important than this article makes it seem. Viewing sources I have seen lots of material that could be added here to give an better account of the man.

For example he was apparently adopted as Caesar's son along with Octavian, Cicero hailed him as "a most illustrious and excellent man", he was apparently one of Caesar's closer friends being 3rd after Mark Antony and Octavian to meet with him often, not to mention no mention is made of his successful Naval career and Naval Skills in the Gallic Wars.

If you read Cicero's Phillipics he mentions Decimus Brutus ALOT and he was clearly a more important figure than this article makes it seem.

Also some of the historical facts are questionable, they seem to come from Shakespeares play, not historical documents

Shakespeare

I am not a historical expert on Brutus but I do think that a lot of this info is from the Shakespearian play 'Julius Caesar.' I would personally like some clarification on the souce of this info. I do think that someone who is educated in the history of Brutus should add and take away from this article because to me this article is mere speculation.-Peace

Attention

I agree with the comments made by the above user. Brutus is an important historical figure, and the distinction between fact and fiction needs to be established. Further, the content of the page is entirely suspect, such as the date "October 45". I am not an expert on the material, and it would be nice if someone who knew a little about this man would overhaul this article. Isopropyl 23:35, 20 March 2006

Plutarch's Parallel Lives concerns Marcus Brutus, not this Brutus. 14:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

A different Brutus?

When you say that "Brutus was an important historical figure" and that the artivle is "too short", you are not confusing this Brutus with Marcus Junius Brutus?--81.84.198.53 22:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No that's exactly my point. THIS Brutus WAS an important historical figure and deserves a larger article, however it seems historians through the years have decided to soley focus on Marcus Brutus and this guy is often forgotten. If you read Cicero's Phillipics he is mentioned ALOT which shows he was a well known and important figure of the time and he has jsut been forgotten, much like poor old Crassus and Lepidus. He was after all the first person to strike Caesar and the only one who remained his friend till the end as unlike the other assasins he never had to be pardoned by Caesar and it appears he was one of the few, if not only, people Caesar really trusted. He was also a skilled Naval Commander, a rarity for a Roman and he was also the one who convinced Caesar to go to the Senate on the day he died.NeoRicen 04:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've put a dispute tag on the article, as it does seem that much of the article represents Marcus Junius Brutus, Decimus Junius Brutus' son. Terrace4 11:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The information here talks about the life of Marcus Junius Brutus, why? This information in this article is about Marcus Junius Brutus, not his father. Ddahlberg 19:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Decimus Brutus was not Marcus Brutus's father. They were cousins of some sort. Marcus Brutus's father was also named Marcus Brutus. However, this article did seem to incorrectly state that it was Decimus Brutus who was Servilia's son. john k 17:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This confusion happens all the time. People should know there was two Brutus' --Decimus (Albinus) and Marcus. Both were involved in the Caesar conspiracy, and both later fought Octavian and Anthony ~ first Decimus in Italy, and Marcus at Phillippi.

Well, Octavian didn't really fight Decimus, did he? My understanding was that Antony attacked Decimus, and then Octavian attacked Antony...Antony and Octavian only made nice after Decimus Brutus was dead, or around that time. john k 00:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As it is in history, Marcus Brutus wasnt exactly all that bright, while Decimus Brutus on the other hand was not only bright, but an underdog of history. This article is indeed way too short

Did what I could.

I cleaned up the militarily related portions of this article, using Caesar's commentaries and another source book. I can vouch for their accuracy, but not for Decimus Brutus' early life or the circumstances of his assassination of Caesar. -Black Sword

Accuracy

I've read the article (great to see it's going somewhere) and it's accuracy seems to be ok, fitting in with much I have read elsewhere however A tiny bit seems to get muddled with Marcus Brutus, the stuff about his naval work fitsm in with what I've read from what I think were Caesar's accounts but some sources would be nice, I'll edit the article to try and fix the Marcus Brutus confusion and will leave the removal of the inaccuracy flag to someone else.

"Aulus Postumius Albinus" and relatives section in the infobox

After some persistent complaints by an editor it seems the issues of the title should be addressed here. First of all, I believe that the "Spouse" and "Relatives" sections of the infobox of Brutus ALbinus should be deleted entirely since the individuals therein either do not have specific articles of their own or only stubs – thus, of little immediate relevance. If a consensus for this is lacking, then at least the status of his supposed maternal uncle, Aulus Postumius Albinus, should be called into question.

The Aulus ALbinus who is called his adoptive father is listed as the cos. 99 BC, but Orosius (5.18.22) says he was killed in 89 BC, before Decimus's birth. There are apparently two other men of that name (Postumia gens#Postumii Albi et Albini) who could fill the adoptive role, with no indication anywhere (that I know of) of which is the one. Syme, for example, did not specify it, as far as I know. Furthermore, Syme's own suggestion that Decimus's mother was a Postumia is a well-grounded guess, not an indisputable fact; there have been scholarly arguments against it. Avis11 (talk) 21:03, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind adding his relatives in the infobox even if they're obscure, albeit with a query. He might have had three fathers (the official one: D. Junius Brutus, the adoptive one: A. Postumius Albinus, and the alleged one: Julius Caesar (!!)); I feel this is important to summarise there. The "Allegiance: Julius Caesar" is however weird considering he murdered him (it should be Caesar, then Liberatores), and the "Branch: Roman army and navy" is useless. T8612 (talk) 12:39, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I'm unsure about putting Julius Caesar as possible father, but re-added Postumius ALbinus, not linking to any specific article since, again, there are at least two possible identifications. Avis11 (talk) 19:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]