Talk:Deaths in October 2016

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Rod Temperton

Hello all,

I believe we will have a surprise about the birthdate of Rod Temperton who died lask week (BBC). BBC and others medias begins to say that he died aged 66, hence he can't be born 9 October 1947, but on FamilySearch we have a 1949 year for his birth. He is probably born 9 October 1949 -> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVQB-R7XG Thanks. --Danielvis08 (talk) 7:58 am, 5 October 2016, Wednesday (1 month, 3 days ago) (UTC−5)

WP:OR, unfortunately, but an interesting thought nonetheless. Ref ^(chew)(do) 12:26 pm, 5 October 2016, Wednesday (1 month, 3 days ago) (UTC−5)

I have changed his age in our main list to the 'source-supported' 66 and not the 'article-supported' 68. Especially due also to the fact that his publicist specifically referred to his age as being 66 during the announcement of his passing to news outlets. So, clearly, some investigation is still required as to the exact truth needing to be reflected in his article (I notice that his info box states year of birth 1950 already, yet his narrative year of birth in the leader paragraph still says 1947. I shall desist from interfering there, I think.). Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 12:45 pm, 5 October 2016, Wednesday (1 month, 3 days ago) (UTC-5)

Is death of Sonny Sanders from reliable source?

October 12th shows deaths of BOTH Robert Bateman and Sonny Sanders, two motown guys who started their careers in the same group. But Sanders's death is reported only in a "find a grave" source and does not seem to be in google news. Please find a better source.2602:304:CDA0:9220:71E6:9F67:12A4:437D (talk) 06:22, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. — Wylie pedia 11:06, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to be a pest, but this is not a reliable source. In fact, there are no reliable sources anywhere online. They are all cannibalizing each other, beginning with the original "find a grave" page that led to Wikipedia reporting the death -- a page posted by a woman who specializes in posting motown deaths, but posted the same day (how could there be a grave?) as the purported death. It is just too much of a coincidence that Robert Bateman died the same day -- and every Bateman obit mentions Sanders without mentioning Sanders's death. Obviously, the Find a Grave poster confused Bateman and Sanders. Again, there is not a single reliable source for Sanders's death.2602:304:CDA0:9220:4D4A:4414:B632:E1D5 (talk) 01:03, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. There is now more than one source, outside of Findagrave, to support this entry of death in his newly-written article (not by me, incidentally). If you have some kind of a conspiracy theory going, it might be better to take that up with the authors of the sources. As an editor assessing online references, I can see plenty of support for Sanders inclusion here. Ref ^(chew)(do) 20:53, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, FindaGrave was not the original source for Sanders' death, but in reporting the death I judged that it was a more reliable source than the social media sources that first alerted me. From the current evidence, it does seem to be a coincidence that they both died on the same day, in different cities, though I accept that it is plausible that, somewhere along the line, someone made a mistake. If evidence for that emerges, of course the information will be changed. Here is a post commenting on the sad coincidence. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:45, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pedals the Bear - Where do we put him?

Rusted AutoParts, you seem to be enforcing arbitrary rules in this edit. Is there somewhere that consensus was gained regarding this? I know you don't like animals and plants being included on this list, and I cannot help but think that is why you're removing this.

Dozens of outlets are reporting Pedals as dead. Monday, the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection announced they believed he was dead based on the carcass of a bear with similar injuries and appearance. As there's no birth certificates or DNA samples, this is as close to a confirmation as possible. This is a death, and a notable one. How are we supposed to list it here if not based on a governmental agency's (who has been tracking him via a sighting hotline) announcement? EvergreenFir (talk) 04:15, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What's arbitrary about removing an entry because it's not known if they're actually dead? Entries like Rod Temperton, I get because we know he's died, but we don't know when it happened. But if we don't ev n know whether or not they've died, then it's just incorrect to list them in a deaths list until it's 100% verified. Not guesswork like "well they have similar injuries". Ok, but that's not confirmation the carcass they've found is Pedals. Rusted AutoParts 04:32, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to keep the listing based on official statements like "The State of New Jersey said it believed the famous bear was dead", "a spokesman for the department said that Pedals had been “harvested” " and "The injured paws and chest blaze of this particular adult bear appear to be consistent with the bear seen walking upright". [1] I will wait for further support before I re-add. WWGB (talk) 04:48, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's still speculative though. As I stated believing someone dead isn't the same as someone being confirmed dead. It's likely him but until an official declaration of death is made I strongly disagree re-adding Pedals. Rusted AutoParts 05:26, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well if "confirmed" and "announced" don't work for you, how about "declared"? The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection says he's dead. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:10, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But others say he "could" be dead. It's a situation where each individual wording negates the other. It's just a situation I find best to keep the entry off until multiple sources state the death as confirmed. Not "we believe they're dead", or "The carcass is similar to Pedals". Rusted AutoParts 19:57, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point but I disagree in this case. Curious what others think on this. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:59, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Turki bin Saud al-Kabir

Prince Turki bin Saud al-Kabir was a member of the Saudi Royal Family who has been executed for a murder committed in 2014. [2] - (119.224.80.18 (talk) 07:03, 19 October 2016 (UTC))[reply]

"One of the thousands of members of the House of Saud" is unlikely to meet notability guidelines. There is little doubt as to his infamy though, assuming he had a fair trial. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:21, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I created the article before seeing this thread. I guess if it's non-notable then someone will nominate it as such. - Brianhe (talk) 20:42, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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