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Juan Carlos Ibáñez

His source clearly says (after translating) that he was beaten to death. This is further specified as punches and kicks. At first SunnyDoo wanted to say "blunt force trauma", which is both needlessly vague and not in the source. Now the cause is gone altogether, despite it being right there in the citation beside him. Every bit of synthesis here could equally be applied to Daniel Fletcher, who we note instead as a simple fall. What's good for Fletcher (following the source) is good for Ibáñez and everyone. Or no? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:19, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bull. Beaten is imprecise. No medical professional would ever put it on a Death Certificate. I tried to talk to Inedible but all he wants to do is knitpick. Somehow Cardiac Arrest (which is listed on DCs) is imprecise, but Beaten is precise. It isnt. Every trained medical person who fills out a DC knows that Beaten is Blunt Force Trauma. Here are some links to look at- http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/blunt-force-trauma.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1882786 https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Blunt_trauma http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1680107-overview. In each one, it lists beaten as Blunt Force Trauma and details what it covers. IE just cant admit he is wrong on this one.Sunnydoo (talk) 05:26, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So what should we do with the shootings and stabbings? "Penetrating trauma"? "Cardiac arrest due to exsanguination"? Nothing at all because of an editorial decision that the reliable source isn't good enough? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:33, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As I said on your talk page, Shootings, stabbings, traffic collisions can all have different actual causes of death from heart attacks, exsanguination, organ damage, blunt force trauma, etc etc. However, beaten with hands and feet can only cause death from blunt force trauma, unless in the rare case where someone punctures an artery with a fingernail. If they choked him that would be strangulation, but there is no indication of that. We have a source that says Beaten, which by the above links, would be listed as Blunt Force Trauma on the Death Certificate.Sunnydoo (talk) 05:43, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pulled from the news today is the story of a teen that was beaten to death by his parents. The ME has ruled the death from Blunt Force Trauma- although the investigation, toxicology and other autopsy reports by the ME's office will be ongoing. Here are the links to the story- http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/us/new-york-church-assault-case/ http://www.wsbtv.com/news/ap/us/parents-charged-with-fatally-beating-son-in-new-yo/nn2ry/. Sunnydoo (talk) 05:44, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

German redlinks???

Hi. Hover over a redlink. Why does it say "Seite nicht vorhanden" and not "page does not exist" on English Wikipedia servers?? Care to explain, or to fix? 86.113.56.177 (talk) 05:44, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Which one? All mine are in English. — Wylie pedia 08:20, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind. Its fixed now. Weird. Sunnydoo (talk) 09:04, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sehr gut. — Wylie pedia 10:54, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wylie - obviously fixed by 0820 when you posted. Was a genuine glitch! Thanks. 86.113.140.200 (talk) 07:21, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me for the three hours that I lived outside of Wikipedia and missed it. — Wylie pedia 02:30, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sarcasm becomes you! 86.113.140.200 (talk) 13:26, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Maureen O'Hara

She was more known for the Oscar nominated "How Green Was My Valley" than either "The Quiet Man" or "The Parent Trap". Most obituaries I have read today mention Valley in the first paragraph. For example: [1] and [2]. I would propose replacing "Quiet Man" with "How Green..." in her entry. BurienBomber (talk) 17:52, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Valley did win Best Picture. — Wylie pedia 17:59, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've already readded How Green. I really don't wish to conduct in another discussion about what movies to add into someones filmography. There's more pressing matters to attend to. Rusted AutoParts 18:06, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pondering a Celebrity Deaths in 2015 page. That way we can list every damn movie/TV show/commercial/Wal-Mart that someone's been in. — Wylie pedia 18:40, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's at 2015 in film, but only 5 films can be added. Rusted AutoParts 18:44, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Rusted AutoParts: My sarcasm escapes you. — Wylie pedia 18:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Celebrity notabilities

Arnold Klein → Michael Jackson. While Klein gave Jackson medical and business advice, I don't think linking Jackson here for notability attachment is fair. The circumstances surrounding Jackson's death pretty much ruined Klein's career, despite his name being cleared. WP is not a tabloid to list doctors to the stars. If so, we should list those attached to Jake Bailey.

Even this bothers me: Abdollah Baqeri Niyaraki, Iranian military commander and bodyguard (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad). (death announced on this date) — Wylie pedia 18:36, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

CNN covered all 3 on its website- highlighting both the deaths of Klein and Niyaraki at one point as the main news item. Klein (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/23/entertainment/arnold-klein-michael-jackson-doctor-dies-feat/index.html) for his part was in the public eye rumored to be the father of Prince Jackson among other dealings with Michael Jackson. That may be notoriety instead of notability but he was one of the Hollywood Doctors and several of them have their own Wiki pages. As for Niyaraki, he was the chief bodyguard of the Iranian president (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/24/middleeast/ahmadinejad-bodyguard-killed-syria/index.html), a Colonel in the Republican Guard of Iran (the erstwhile power behind the Ayatollah's throne) and no doubt a significant behind the scenes player as he was helping the Hezbollah among others in Syria. Again it is up to someone within 30 days to make a case one way or the other. I cant tell you that CNN and the BBC for instance is wrong for their coverage and that they arent significant.Sunnydoo (talk) 03:49, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're confusing my complaint about attaching people to entries for notability sake. I couldn't care less if this page is full of redlinks, which there has been a rash of lately. But linking clients to the entries is silly, when it comes to professions, unless that is their job, i.e. Secret Service/bodyguards and music producers. Just think if Lawrence Tureaud (link intended) stayed a bodyguard. — Wylie pedia 07:47, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh say I can see now hehe. I can see it both ways. In Niyaraki's case, he was charged with protecting one of the World's least favorite people and that is pretty notable in itself especially with several Security Services just looking at getting around him. I can understand the case of the Doctor however that that might not be the case. Probably needs to be done on an individual basis and not something that is chiseled into stone. I can say that it does help the reader decide if they want to look at the article and so it does add some value in that as well.Sunnydoo (talk) 10:09, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The world's least favourite people never go anywhere, and nobody talks about them. If someone has accomplished enough for a Wikipedia article, somebodies liked something about them. If they become President of Iran, somebodies really did. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Zenita Nicholson

I changed the manner and cause of death in the entry for Zenita Nicholson (37, Guyanese human rights and LGBT activist (Society Against Sexual Orientation Discrimination)) from "suicide by carbon overdose" to "poisoning." The article cited here says she consumed "carbon tablets" which are used as rat poison. This story on "carbon tablets" says that they are actually aluminum phosphide, a chemical which breaks down to form toxic phosphine gas (PH₃, not phosgene, POCl₂). I changed the entry to read simply "poisoning" because we have no way of knowing what the agent actually was.

Also, the CND article on her death says "suspicious circumstances" and mentions that police may suspect foul play. So, homicide is not ruled out and the death should not be called a suicide unless a medical examiner's report establishes that. Roches (talk) 06:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with this. The police werent going to do an investigation until the allegations starting coming out. The Coroner did the initial autopsy yesterday and ruled the death from pesticide poisoning (which i have updated the CoD to). They are now going to thoroughly investigate whether it was a suicide or a forced killing from http://www.stabroeknews.com/2015/news/stories/10/29/cops-examining-rights-activists-suicide-letters/.Sunnydoo (talk) 10:23, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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