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Olwyn Hughes / Ted Hughes

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Regarding the inclusion of Olwyn Hughes on January 3, 2016, the former literary agent (and sister) of the poet Ted Hughes: I was always under the impression that "notability through association" was not allowed in the articles "Deaths in XXXX", and that redirecting a relative or associate to create a "bluelink" by piping the name of a notable person living or dead in order to represent the name of that relative or associate was also not allowed - the only exception being if the person had a close association with a non-human subject, such as a notable musical group, political organisation or other 'dormant' entity (which is very often done, even if not everyone agrees on the validity of such an exercise). Please witness the countless attempts in 2015 to justify including the deaths of parents and children of notable people by such piping to "create" a bluelinked entry. Because Olwyn Hughes, as an entry, flies in the face of these conventions, and she is mentioned only four times in the article Ted Hughes, not once being quoted in any way which bestows real notability by proxy. I am hoping for some consensus on this page before I consider logging into my account and removing the entry. A lack of reaction to this point would certainly lead me to think I am probably right to do that. Thanks. 86.113.65.206 (talk) 12:52, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added Olwyn Hughes since obituaries were published in The Guardian, The Independent and other major newspapers. This is the normal criteria for inclusion.--Racklever (talk) 15:57, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Even without her own article, the custom is that the listing will remain for one month, then be removed. WWGB (talk) 12:10, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The very least required though would have been a more honest approach. Hiding links in a cloak of blue to bluff an already established notability is not my idea of honesty. Better to have left it red. I shall not interfere further. 86.113.65.206 (talk) 19:45, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
IP, that's how it's been done for years. If you feel this person is so notable, feel free to subscribe to WP and fill out their article. Have that pass as a notable article is harder than doing a redirect to relatives. In 30 days, this too will be removed if not expanded. — Wyliepedia 01:01, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My concern is actually the opposite of the one made to start the discussion here. Editor 86.113.65.206 expresses a concern that the blue link will perhaps trick readers into thinking that a person is notable when they are not. That does not bother me. But my understanding of why red links are allowed to stand for 30 days on the deaths page is because it gives editors an opportunity to create a page for a person who is notable enough to have a page but does not yet have one. But if there is a blue link because the person is piped to someone else's page then the reader of the list might miss the fact that someone does not have their own page yet and so might not create one they otherwise would have. Allowing piped blue links means that someone checking the list for people they might want to start an article for have to click every single link to see if it goes to a page for that person or just a redirect. In that way red links are more informative and helpful to editors who might want to create articles. 99.192.83.38 (talk) 12:59, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can of worms, all in all. Just another illustration which, overall, backs up my concern for this practice. However, if the consensus (as it appears here) condones this way of doing things, then so be it. 86.113.65.206 (talk) 21:53, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I should add that I am one who agrees with keeping red links here, rather than making blue redirects, for the purpose of creating the articles. I have taken time for those reds here that I personally believe to be notable and created several article after their deaths. However, there are those who frankly are too lazy to and create redirects which defeats our purpose here.— Wyliepedia 08:01, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

David Bowie

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There is already disagreement as to which of his many significant works should be listed on this page. In my view it should include at least one of his albums - not just individual songs - mention his role as a record producer, and not give undue weight to his work as an actor - that is, perhaps list one or two films but not three. Is there any possibility that we can find a way to achieve consensus by discussion here? Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:11, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As I stated in my edit summary, some casual readers might be hardpressed to name albums of his. And it's a bit more confusing IMO that names of albums are appearing after the title of songwriter. At least with song names they can more than likely recognize what songs he's done. And what "undue weight" do you mean? Was his acting career not worthy of having the same amount of film titles we add for other actors? Rusted AutoParts 10:51, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
His career as an actor was very markedly less important than his career as a musician, and we shouldn't give it the same weight. "Some casual readers" may indeed be hard pressed to name albums - except, I would say, for Ziggy Stardust, which (at least in the UK) was probably his single best known and most culturally important artistic creation - but we are not just informing casual readers, we are attempting to summarise, in a manner appropriate to an encyclopedia, a very diverse and important career, and it would be simply wrong only to credit him here with a few individual songs. It's all a question of balance - so, include one or two singles, one or two albums, and one (or possibly two) films. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:04, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
PS: We should not list three films. It is palpably untrue and misleading to suggest that his film career was of equal importance to his music career - which is the inference that will be taken by readers who see us listing three musical works and three films. There is no need to list three of everything, and in this case it is misleading to do so. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:43, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If we can't have three films, put me down for one and make it Labyrinth. Two's just wrong. I think we lead readers just fine already by noting the music first. Biggest things are always foremost. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:46, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. As I said above, one or two - not three. If you have a problem with two (why?), take one out. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:47, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There's no balance in two, just constant teetering. Threes have middles and ones are solid. It's a bit more complicated than that, but that's essentially the truth. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:55, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Brett Smiley - Request: change date of death from Jan 8 to Jan 7

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Could you change Brett Smiley's date of death from Jan 8 to Jan 7? The obituary cited as a reference doesn't list a date of death but this obituary, published on January 7, lists January 7. His Wikipedia page also lists January 7. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nachruf (talk • contribs) 02:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done The cited source states "died Friday" which was Jan 8. There is some inconsistency between websites at the moment, more research is needed. WWGB (talk) 02:28, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. An obit on examiner.com (link omitted due to Wikipedia blacklisting), from someone who was a friend of the decedent, lists Thursday, January 7. AP says Friday, January 8. Not sure how you decide which is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nachruf (talk • contribs) 03:12, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Usually, we wait for a highly reliable source with a record for fact checking, like The New York Times or The Washington Post. WWGB (talk) 03:49, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And here: http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/glam-rock-cult-hero-brett-smiley-dies-nyc-36215640, the deceased's brother-in-law also confirms the death date as "Friday", which would be January 8, 2016. End of discussion? 86.113.44.218 (talk) 12:26, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alan Rickman- Suggestion for addition

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Alan Rickman was also in Galaxy Quest! :) $corchfang (talk) 05:47, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. 86.113.44.218 (talk) 12:27, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2016

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Peter Baker,, footballer (Tottenham Hotspur), Double Winner 1960-1961. - Note to editor that Tottenham Hotspur became the 1st British club in the 20th Century to win the League and Cup double. This is central to why he appears on this page.

86.164.59.5 (talk) 13:35, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

plus Added by Nukualofa. — Wyliepedia 13:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Wiltgen

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Nick Wiltgen should be listed as suicide, not traffic collision. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 07:24, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Amended to suicide by traffic collision. It's a perfect example of why we should never use "traffic accident". This was no accident. WWGB (talk) 08:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:03, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Leslie Nielsen

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BBC reported his death several days ago. US media generally have not. Whatever is true, please report it. StarryEye (talk) 15:03, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you are referring to this individual - Leslie Nielsen - he died in 2010. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:10, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
From BBC (Why is Leslie Nielsen STILL dead?): "This week there have been waves of online sympathy over the passing of actor Leslie Nielsen prompting many to quote their favourite and most memorable lines from films such as Airplane! and The Naked Gun. The only trouble is Nielsen actually died in November 2010 aged 84. That didn't stop thousands of online users sharing this BBC story without checking the date and so it appeared that Nielsen had just died." Skudrafan1 (talk) 15:24, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It happens. Couple months back people were sharing a post about Harry Morgan from MASH dying, despite him being dead since 2011. Just ignorance of news then getting surprised it happened. Bet half of them didn't even watch MASH. Rusted AutoParts 15:46, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's all as may be, but for a registered WP account holder not to check back and back again on sources before requesting an addition to entries in this article (an "entry", not a "reportage" by the way) is not so good either.86.113.174.106 (talk) 21:50, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sandra Dee has been re-mourned recently too, by those who missed her first demise. The irony is, when someone dies in their 90s, people tend to say "I thought he died years ago". -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:03, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I thought Kirk Douglas died in the '90s, till last week. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request to add William E. Martin - January 27, 2016

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Wikipedia lists William E. Martin's date of death as January 27, 2016. Also listed here with date and here without a date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nachruf (talk • contribs) 02:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(DeadFamous.info is not a valid source, as it is a 'bot harvester' which merely gathers all known info on a subject from the internet (i.e gossip, supposition, etc.), and crams it automatically into a webpage. Its reliability is horrendous, so please disregard it for the purposes of Wikipedia!) Ref (chew)(do) 20:35, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request Francis Buckley

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He was an Order of Canada winning businessman and pitchman in the medicine industry. -- 24.114.72.212 (talk) 12:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

plus Added. Thank you. — Wyliepedia 12:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Riley martin

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First, gonna go ahead and comment on the accusation of me "unilaterally" making my edit as being a hypocritical one considering User:Rockypedia "unilaterally" made the decision to declare the source we have (which is and has been a reliable one) "unreliable" and move Martin back here. I told him this four months ago, which he shrugged off. His theory is based off guesswork and thus is negated. So the only thing he can do is find a source that disproves the December 22 DOD. If not, then Martin should be moved to December 22. Rusted AutoParts 04:34, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion already exists on the Riley Martin talk page; we should keep the discussion there to avoid confusion. Rockypedia (talk) 13:14, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, any and all input is welcome, regardless of discussion location. Rusted AutoParts 14:42, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That is an incorrect statement. Please see WP:TALK, specifically, "Duplicating the same discussion in multiple sections on a talk page, or on multiple pages (see WP:FORUMSHOP) causes confusion, erodes general awareness of points being made, and disrupts the flow of conversation on the topic." Rockypedia (talk) 17:06, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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David Bowie

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I think The Man Who Fell To Earth, in which Bowie is the starring role, is way more notable of a film than Zoolander, which he only cameoed in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.202.224 (talk) 19:16, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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