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Thorbjørn Svenssen

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The info says he had/did/achieved (?) "104 caps for Norway". What on earth is that? Even the article itself doesn't clarify. freshacconci talktalk 18:06, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A "cap" is an international match in football ("soccer"). So, Svenssen appeared in the Norwegian national team 104 times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.61.200.14 (talk) 14:44, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ruth Cavin

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110110/ap_en_ot/us_obit_ruth_cavin

Is she notable enough to be included? B-Machine (talk) 01:08, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would say yes, at least as a red link for the 30 day period. A case could certainly be made for notability and someone may use the redlink and obit as a starting point for an article. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 16:29, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

John Dye

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John Dye has yet to have been confirmed dead by a reliable source. Eseress (talk) 06:26, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Has now. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/41066513/ns/today-entertainment/Crboyer (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Audrey Lawson-Johnston

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I have just reverted (again) the moving of the entry for Audrey Lawson-Johnston to her maiden name of Audrey Pearl. She was the last survivor of the Lusitania and has an article as Audrey Pearl, her name at the time of the sinking. She abandoned this name, as is customary, when she married; there is no source indicating that she resumed using it after her husband's death, and it is quite wrong to force it back on her on the occasion of her own death - even if her biography is under this title. Perhaps the biography ought properly to be moved, but so far as I know there is no rule requiring that entries on the chronological list of deaths be listed under the name of the article they link to, and even if there was, this would be a clear case for an exception. Sam Blacketer (talk) 13:06, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is the custom here that death notices appear under the article name. If you feel strongly that she should be known as Audrey Lawson-Johnston then please move the article title to that name rather than piping the entry here. Thanks, WWGB (talk) 13:50, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid this reply is not really a reply at all. It gives no reason why this 'custom' (neither a policy nor a guideline) has been adopted, nor does it answer the case for an exception in this particular case. It gives no reason for anything, merely asserts what its author believes should be done. It might help in ascertaining consensus from wider editors if you were to explain why you believe this should be the custom, and why you believe no exceptions should be allowed in this case. Because right now what is stated on the page is something that we know to be untrue: Audrey Pearl did not die on 11 January. Sam Blacketer (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
WWGB is correct in his statement that the death notices customarily appear under the article name. If the article is moved to the name you prefer, then the corresponding entry on this list will follow. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 15:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Howard Engleman

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Much as I hate to blacken the memory of those you have just left us I find that the inclusion here and the article written about him fall far short of the standards required for inclusion in Wikipedia. Apart from scoring 39 points in 3 games, which is far from being a world record, there is nothing in the article which points him out as a notable person. Williamgeorgefraser 17:42, 16 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser (talk • contribs)

That would be an issue for Talk:Howard Engleman, not here. Note that world records are not a prerequisite for notability - the level at which the man played is probably enough, although I am not over-familiar with basketball notability regs. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:47, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sonya Peres

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Seriously, "Sonya Peres, Israeli wife of President Shimon Peres" makes it sound like he had at least two wives, both of different nationalities, and you're identifying Sonya as his ISRAELI wife to distinguish her from his French wife or his Italian wife or his Canadian wife. I changed her listing this morning to "Sonya Peres, Israeli First Lady [which she was, to be honest!], wife of President Shimon Peres" but better minds than mine decided to change it back. Well, more power to you! I'm not sure why you changed it, but I'm not going to fight it. Walter Breitzke (talk) 04:52, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think this comes about because she seems to have no independent claim to notability (and will likely be deleted in one month if not sooner). Other reported members of the Dead Political Wives Club have their own claim to notability, for example, Loki Schmidt, German environmentalist. I think we would all be happy if Ms Peres could be reported as something other than "wife". WWGB (talk) 05:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's why I changed her listing to "First Lady". Being a country's First Lady is a legitimate title/occupation. My problem with "Israeli wife of President Shimon Peres", however, is not that it relegates Mrs. Peres to just "wife". My problem is that "Israeli" becomes an adjective, describing and defining WHICH wife of Shimon Peres she is. For example, Sonya was his ISRAELI wife, but thank God he still has Mary, his AMERICAN wife. Walter Breitzke (talk) 13:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Does Israel use the term 'First Lady' to describe its President's wife? Jim Michael (talk) 16:12, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Israel recognizes the Prime Minister's wife as its 'First Lady', however since Peres is also a former PM, Walter Breitzke's edit should have been fine. Also, I thought being a 'First Lady' guaranteed notability and inclusion here. Am I mistaken? BurienBomber (talk) 18:20, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not all countries use the term 'First Lady', and to most of the world it is baffling that in some countries (such as the US), it is an official title, as though it is a government position she has been elected to, when all she has done is marry the President, or more often, married a man who becomes president whilst they are married. I don't think being the (former) spouse of a country's (former) leader means being automatically eligible for inclusion. They often have independent notablity, but if they don't, and hence lack their own article, I think they are deleted from the list after a month. Jim Michael (talk) 16:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And again, my beef is not what her title is. I don't care if she's "First Lady" or "Second Lady" or "Pet Cat". And my beef is not her notability or lack of it. My beef is that you CANNOT label someone as "Israeli wife of Shimon Peres" the same way you can label someone as "Israeli actress" or "Israeli writer". When you label someone as "Israeli wife of Shimon Peres", you are clarifying for the reader which wife of Shimon Peres she is, as if he had more than one. And, unless Mr. Peres is a Mormon, he absolutely does NOT (or did not) have more than one wife. I know I'm a voice in the wilderness here, but some people's "occupations" do not lend themselves to the usual format used on this page, so a little flexibility would be nice. I noticed someone changed Ms. Peres' listing at one point to "Israeli, wife of President Shimon Peres", which is fine. It's stating her nationality - Israeli - and her occupation or reason for inclusion - wife of President Shimon Peres. And AGAIN, I'm not concerned with whether or not she should be included here or deleted or whatever. I'm not judging her notability. I'm judging the grammer. Walter Breitzke (talk) 22:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cristino Nicolaides

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I think the description of him as 'Argentine army commander and criminal' makes him sound like some high grade officer who became a pick-pocket. Would it not be better to describe him as a 'human rights criminal' or 'human rights abuser'? A bit more long winded but it is not unknown for entries to run into a second line. Many researchers in the future may be unaware of the activities of the Argentine Junta and, if he survives the month as a blue link, may wonder about his notoriety; was he a famous commander or is he remembered for his criminal activities. Would Hitler nowadays be described as 'German chancellor and criminal'? Williamgeorgefraser 10:56, 24 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser (talk • contribs)

Eunice Sanborn (31 January 2011)

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She may be listed as 115 in some cources but she has been validated as having been 114 by official sources such as the GRG --> http://www.grg.org/Adams/E.HTM --JKSD93 (talk) 20:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but all of the media sources are reporting that the date is incorrect, and that she was 115. If all of the media outlets are reporting that the earlier statistics are incorrect then that needs to be reflected her entry here.
Headline in english: World's oldest woman dies at 115 in Texas: caretaker
Headline in French: La doyenne du monde décède à l'âge de 115 ans aux Etats-Unis
Headline in German: Älteste Frau der Welt stirbt mit 115 Jahren in Texas
The entry at Deaths in 2011 needs to match the sourced content, and the Eunice Sanborn article needs to be updated to reflect the controversy regarding her age. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 21:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've added both ages as an attempt to show the discrepancy between the GRG and media reports. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 22:35, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. Her age per official records was 114, anything else is unsubstantiated. WWGB (talk) 22:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My main concern was the potential instability of the page due to the discrepancy between the source provided and the age in the entry. As you have found a source that states 114, the potential confusion is lessened considerably. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 22:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As per your suggestion, I have also added material to her article that sets out the disputed y.o.b. Regards, WWGB (talk) 01:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect! --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 01:22, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apache (rapper)

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This guy died on January 22nd. B-Machine (talk) 02:39, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done (but why couldn't you do it?) WWGB (talk) 11:12, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Apache (rapper) died on January 22, 2010, NOT 2011. My mistake. B-Machine (talk) 17:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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John Dye

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Should his cause of death be changed to heart failure according to the Boston.com article, or should it be kept at heart attack? MikaelaArsenault (talk) 14:18, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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