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Pamela Bryant

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Pamela Bryant died on Friday, December 3, 2010. She died of natural causes at the age of 51. Bryant was a Playboy model (Playboy Playmate of the Month for April 1978). Would someone add her entry? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:43, 13 December 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Evidence of death? WWGB (talk) 06:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a source: http://wekinglypigs.com/cgi-bin/nand/search/pmstat?browse=%3A%3ACONFIG%3A%3Amodelbrowse&key=bryant%2C+pamela+jean&limit=0. This information has been included on her Wikipedia page as well. It looks like the correct date is December 4, 2010, and not December 3, 2010, as my original post above indicates. Can someone please format this information and add it to this Recent Deaths page? Thanks! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:37, 28 December 2010 (UTC))[reply]
I am baffled why you are asking someone else to do this edit, then you promptly effect it yourself ?! Am I missing something ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:49, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Well, this is what happened. I posted the request, asking someone to add the information. Then, I realized that this section of the Talk Page was rather old/dated (i.e., from more than two weeks ago). So, I assumed that it would easily get passed over or missed. Thus, erring on the side of caution, I just decided to add the info myself. I was going to add it as a bare bones entry, and let some seasoned editor fix and format it. Then, with the entry being all the way "down" at the bottom of the list (December 4), I figured that that, too, might get easily missed. So, I just made/found the time to do the whole thing myself. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:00, 29 December 2010 (UTC))[reply]
Okay, no damage done. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:05, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Madoff

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Isn't he a classic example of someone notable only because of his relative? I'm sure his family are very sad about his death, but I haven't seen anything in the coverage which indicates he has the slightest importance outside his possible involvement in his father's crimes. --Be best (talk) 07:38, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, he's notable because of the world famous fraud in which he was a participant, as evidenced by his suicide. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 11:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"he's notable because of the world famous fraud in which he was a participant" - alleged participant. His notability relates entirely to his father's notoriety. The link from his name redirects to his father's. I believe he should be removed from the list. The practice on other versions of Wikipedia are quite irrelevant, and so are your remarks about sports people. --Be best (talk) 10:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Mark Madoff is notable in his own right. At the Bernard Madoff article Talk Page, I had proposed a separate article for Mark Madoff (which I have not yet had time to begin). Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC))[reply]
Also ... I believe that his cause of death has been confirmed (updated) as an actual suicide. Early on (when the entry was originally added to this page), the death was only a "suspected" or "apparent" suicide. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC))[reply]

His only relevance is having been an alleged accomplice of his father. As he is not independently notable, he doesn't warrant an article. The same applies to Madoff's other family members. Jim Michael (talk) 02:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that being an accomplice (alleged or otherwise) in the biggest Ponzi scheme in history makes him notable. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:30, 28 December 2010 (UTC))[reply]

User:KBThomson

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Whilst it is always sad to lose colleagues, we would not report their deaths here unless they were notable outside Wikipedia; per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Wikipedians who are otherwise notable, such as User:Bamber Gascoigne, would be reported on their article pages first, and their user pages second. Rodhullandemu 03:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Helen Roberts

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Helen Roberts is listed on 15th December and 12th December. Both go to the same wiki article and both go to a reference that does not list a Roberts but a Walker - maybe the same person maybe not. I maybe a slightly seasoned editor but deaths page is one to far for me. Edmund Patrick – confer 19:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reference for the entry on the 15th is a personal obituary, not an official obit from The Telegraph. Regardless, both sources used have the 12th being the date of death, so I have removed the incorrect entry. According to the reference Helen Roberts married Richard Walker in 1944, hence the name discrepancy. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 20:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth Turgeon

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Let me be the wise one and end an edit war before it starts. I don't see any reason why Elizabeth Turgeon (December 23) should be included. She is the daughter of a notable person, but she is not notable in her own right. Rusted AutoParts (talk · contribs) continues to restore her, even though at least two people disagree. He/she claims that "it is a mandatory status that all redlinks remain on the page until a month after", which as far as I'm aware is bogus. Non-notable people get removed, regardless of when they have been put up. 83.84.195.88 (talk) 02:40, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Let me be clear to you a fourth time: There is some notability established and a source is provided. She remains on the page until January when WWGB and I clean the page up. Rusted AutoParts (talk) 22:47 24 December 2010 (UTC)
You have established the notability of her father, but that was never in doubt in the first place. And yes, a source is provided. Again something that noone ever doubted. What you have not established is the notability of Elizabeth Turgeon, why she warrants inclusion. And your cocky attitude is not an argument either. Two people have reverted you. You should discuss, not revert back and impose your way. 83.84.195.88 (talk) 02:52, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not being cocky, bud. Not all these redlinks will be embraced with notability. NOT ALL. That is what you fail to realize, The singling out of Turgeon is ridiculous. Your stubborness has started a disagreement. Now, for the last time: REMAINS ON PAGE UNTIL JANUARY WHEN ME AND WWGB CLEAN THE PAGE UP. I think you can understand that. (Not being snide, FYI). Rusted AutoParts (talk) 22:56 24 December 2010 (UTC)
If you're telling me I "will learn", you're being cocky and condescending. Argue on arguments, not on persons. Now, about your claim "that all redlinks remain on the page until a month after": redlinks are only kept for a month "to allow creation of such an article". She won't get an article, for the simple reason that she doesn't meet WP:BLP. If she won't get an article anyway, there can never be such a "mandatory status". You're quoting selectively, and turning on Caps Lock doesn't change that. 83.84.195.88 (talk) 03:01, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, case closed. Redlink remains on page until at least January 21 or 22, removed by me personally. Rusted AutoParts (talk) 23:03 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Case closed? Why case closed? Has anyone else weighed in? No. It's your opinion against mine. Let's wait for others. You don't decide what's gonna happen, you are not the community. 83.84.195.88 (talk) 03:05, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But you are an IP. We accounts will determine the outcome. Rusted AutoParts (talk) 23:07 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Accounts like Ponyo, you mean? 83.84.195.88 (talk) 03:09, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, preciously. Me and him had a formal discussion about George Robitaille, but we agreed that i would be the one to remove Robitaille when cleanup time came around, which i just removed a few minutes ago. Rusted AutoParts (talk) 23:12 24 December 2010 (UTC)
And you decide what's gonna happen to Elizabeth Turgeon's listing, no matter what other people think? You're not even willing to wait for the opinion of others, but decide to close a discussion within half an hour? You own the place? 83.84.195.88 (talk) 03:21, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Elizabeth Turgeon has been removed by a third editor. Btw, Rusted AutoParts, when you say that "we accounts will determine the outcome", I recommend you read this essay. A few quotes:

  • Because of these misconceptions, edits by unregistered users are mistakenly reverted and their contributions to talk pages discounted. This practice is against the philosophy of Wikipedia and founding principles of all Wikimedia projects.
  • [U]nregistered users ... are not a lower category of users. They are not a special subset that we tolerate. ... As your contributions to talk pages deserve to be heard and counted when forming consensus, so too do the contributions of unregistered users.
  • When an unregistered user makes an edit to an article or posts a comment on a talk page, these are the views of one of our readers. That doesn't necessarily mean that their view should be given greater weight. It means that we should not discriminate against their view just because they don't have an account.
  • Common misconceptions: Comments by unregistered users on talk pages don't count. ... Contributions from unregistered users are just as important in determining consensus as contributions from registered users. ... Never disregard a contribution just because it was by made someone who has not registered for an account.

83.84.195.88 (talk) 13:23, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

IP's are also vandals, not creating accounts becuase they think they won't get punished. I'm not gonna re-add her. Also, don;t take whaty i just said the wrong way, I only dislike IP's cause their main goal is to spread havoc amongst the site. You, on the other hand after looking at your contributions, tend to be more helpful. Rusted AutoParts (talk) 10:10 25 December 2010 (UTC)
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