Talk:Death in Venice

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"Oh Boy. Tadzio, Adzio, and the secret history of Death in Venice" by Allen Barra. December 3–9, 2003" - failed to load. 117.207.233.43 (talk) 15:43, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Link works fine. 28 April 2015

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"The novel ends on the Lido beach where von Aschenbach is watching Tadzio play with his friends. The boy wanders out to sea but turns and finally shares eye contact with the old man, and von Aschenbach dies." -- In Visconti's film the two have plenty of eye contact! I'd note this directly in the article itself but I've not read the story and so might have an entirely wrong perspective, not having read background to the film either. If anyone with more background would like to note this?

This finally is really misleading, as this is really not the first eye-contact throughout the book.—84.179.35.29 19:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Novels Split

Rather than trip over each other as appears to be the case with the plot summary, can I propose we have a separate "Novels" article. This would then me primarily about the film, with some minor references to the way it differs from the original novel. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 11:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there is a split, this article should be about the novella (not a novel), which came first, and Death in Venice (film) should be split off. Pais 19:31, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, now that the film has its own article, we have to work on separating out the novella from the film in this article. Right now they're discussed pretty much together. Pais 23:58, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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How was the book received?

It would be interesting to have something on the early reception of the novella in the German-speaking lands and, later, in the English-speaking countries and elsewhere. After all, key aspects of the book were generally taboo at the time. Norvo (talk) 01:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To add to this comment, 6.5 years later, yes, the article lacks a discussion of context - how it was received, why it is famous, reviews, lasting impact, how it fits in with literature at the time, etc. Bdushaw (talk) 15:07, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Reading Mann's Mind

This Wikipedia article seems to imply that Mann and Aschenbach shared similar characteristics. Must a novel’s author necessarily have the same attributes that he or she ascribes to a person in the story? Nietzsche warned against considering the artist to be the same as “…what he is able to represent, conceive, and express. The fact is that if he were it, he would not represent, conceive, and express it: a Homer would not have created an Achilles nor Goethe a Faust if Homer had been an Achilles or Goethe a Faust.” (On the Genealogy of Morality, Third Essay, § 4)108.24.200.168 (talk) 17:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Hans Wurst[reply]

You could read the article that way. I don't. I added a phrase to the lead pointing out that the story is fictional. Verne Equinox (talk) 00:04, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It’s a novelette. It is self-evident that it is fictional. However, when the artwork is well-done and very imaginative, some readers believe that the author is the same as the protagonist. Nabokov and other talented authors had to contend with this human, all-too-human reaction.108.24.200.168 (talk) 04:02, 5 February 2022 (UTC)Hans Wurst[reply]

There are two extremes in literature: completely autobiographical and completely non-autobiographical. Between the two opposite poles, there are many gradations or degrees. Thomas Wolfe claimed that all literature is autobiographical. Referring to Tolstoi, he wrote to his editor, Maxwell Perkins, "...both of us [himself and Tolstoi], and every other man who ever wrote a book, are autobiographical" [Thomas Wolfe: A Biography, (New York:Doubleday,1960, Ch. XXIV, p. 360)]. Where is Mann’s book on the graded scale between the two extremes? How much of Mann’s book is autobiographical? Without being able to read Mann’s mind, how could we know if Aschenbach and Mann share the same characteristics?108.24.200.168 (talk) 19:05, 28 May 2022 (UTC)Hans Wurst[reply]