Talk:DeathBoy

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2006 notability debate

Is this band really notable enough to warrant an entry? I've never heard any mention of them anywhere but here. I suspect this may be a vanity entry.

They have music in Project Gotham Racing 3's soundtrack. This would suggest they're slightly bigger than a local band who's made a vanity entry.

Looks suspiciously like a vanity entry.

On the contrary; DeathBoy are noteable enough to have been mentioned on more than one occasion by Warren Ellis (who contributed a spoken piece for a DeathBoy track) and Mick Mercer; and they have been a headlining act at Whitby Goth Weekend. They have had one commercial album release (Music To Crash Cars To) with another pending release very shortly (End Of An Error). I'd say that makes them pretty damned noteable. Arkady Rose 00:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll second that. --AlisonW 09:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have a pile of Deathboy live photos I can pick a nice one from once I'm back from holiday. I assume they're on a backup CD somewhere ... - David Gerard 11:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability (2008 reprise)

Yeah, he's notable. Real albums published through real labels, played the Whitby Weekend, and also providing soundtrack on a highly-notable console game (Project Gotham) would be enough in itself.

It would be nice to see some pictures back on here though - what happened to the album cover? That surely counted as fair use. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i disagree that any of the reasons you stated would be notable in themselves, actually. they have one song on the game and plenty of non-notable artists have released real albums on real labels. tomasz. 14:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's your opinion. However WP:BAND 4, 5 & 10 would disagree. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

not really. #4 involves non-trivial coverage of a national tour, which the article doesn't supply or assert. #5 involves two or albums on a major label or notable indie, which is not the same as "real albums on a real label" and is also not backed up or asserted (Wasp Factory not being "a major label or one of the more important indie labels"). #10 is a wide category but not nearly wide enough for one song on a game soundtrack. Shall we see what the community thinks? tomasz. 15:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wasp Factory is pretty damned important within the scope of the UK industrial scene! Maybe you don't listen to anything that the RIAA doesn't approve of, but there's a bigger world out there than Britney. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

your ad hominem doesn't help your argument. tomasz. 16:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If Wasp Factory Recordings is so important, why are there no outside sources on its article?--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

* Because the article is over 3 years old, and standards were more lax then

* Because the article hasn't been content edited in over 18 months

* Because Wikipedia doesn't define notability. 5 minutes web searching, or a trip to a decent UK indie record shop, will demonstrate.

* Because I haven't fixed it yet

* Because you haven't fixed it either

* Because no-one else from the Cyber scene has fixed it

* ...and have you ever tried herding Goths?

Andy Dingley (talk) 21:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, but I have tried herding geeks, and I suspect it's of similar difficulty. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So, I have to ask, is Line Out Records any more notable? See, I personally think DeathBoy fits the criteria for notability, but noone's mentioned the record label of his second album, only his first. Xmoogle (talk) 08:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because Line Out aren't as gobby as Wasp Factory? 8-) Andy Dingley (talk) 09:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To the person who asked "Is this band really notable enough to warrant an entry? I've never heard any mention of them anywhere but here" - A particular person having heard of a particular band is, I think, not the only criterion for it being notable. There are lots of bands out there, and nobody knows them all. This is even more true for acts working within a particular non-mainstream genre, and on the internet, which is the case here. FWIW, I'd heard of DeathBoy before this. Unless there's a severe shortage of electrons and hard disks over at Wikipedia, I don't think it's doing any harm. AnthonySteele (talk) 20:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]