Talk:Darren Wang

Wang Talu?

Repeated attempts have been made to create a duplicate or replacement page at Wang Talu.

@Doedoeneoneo: If you believe that this page should now be at the title "Wang Talu", then please:

1. Provide a link to a Reliable published source which confirms that the two names are the one person, and add this to the article, and then
2. Use the Requested move process, specifically Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting a single page move, to set up a discussion about moving the article to that title.

A page must not be retitled just by copying and pasting from one article into another, or by creating a new article and destroying the existing one: the repeated attempts to do so are Edit warring. We do not have two articles in the encyclopedia about the same person. When Wang Talu was created in October 2017 it was a duplicate article (if indeed they are the same person), as Darren Wang had existed, written by several different editors, since May 2016: any new content should have been added to the existing article. @Chrissymad: just for info. PamD 17:28, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

@PamD: Dear, nice to meet you. I am thinking that we should "talk" at Wang Talu page, not here. This page Darren Wang will NOT be destroyed and it will be redirected to Wang Talu tomorrow. Wang Talu and Darren Wang are the same person? Yes, they are the same person. That's why Chrissymad, Onel5969 and Treysand kept performing "redirect". Just calculated, they have performed "redirect" five times already. If Wang Talu and Darren Wang are not the same person, we might need to ask the three people why they redirected Wang Talu to Darren Wang.

This actor is well known by movie Our Times in 2015. In this movie, his English name was Darren Wang. Later on, this movie was released in many countries in 2016. Many fans called him Darren Wang after watching Our Times. That's why several different editors added content on Darren Wang.

However he has changed his English name to Wang Talu in 2016. We could see that his movie Suddenly Seventeen, released in 2016, is with his new English name Wang Talu. From 2016 till now, all the posters, trailers and film credits of his works are showing Wang Talu. It is really confusing that fans look for Wang Talu but it shows Darren Wang in wiki.

Wang Talu page was created by October 30, 2017. On the same day, it was redirected to Darren Wang by Treysand unfortunately. If Treysand did not "redirect", different editors will add more content on Wang Talu. The following are the information for you reference.

1. His office official site => http://tw.weibo.com/taluwangoffice (There is an email on the page. Please contact his office for any question.)

2. His Instagram => @taluwang

3. 2016 movie "Suddenly Seventeen" => Poster

4. 2017 movie "Legend of the Naga Pearls" => Trailer

5. 2018 movie "A Better Tomorrow 2018" => Poster

6. 2018 drama "The Wolf" => Trailer

In IMDb, we will change his English name to Wang Talu too.

If you would like to have more information, please let me know. Tomorrow I would like to work on Wang Talu. And I will redirect Darren Wang to Wang Talu because Darren Wang will be a duplicated page. Thank you very much, PamD! -Doedoeneoneo (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:42, 1 August 2018‎

• @Doedoeneoneo: No, please do not work on a page at Wang Talu. As I have explained, the page on this person already exists, at Darren Wang,and has done since May 2016. We only need one page on one person, even if they change their name (as many people do for various reasons). If the name by which they are best known changes, we move the existing article to the new title. We do not abandon the previous article.

You caused the problem here by creating a new page at Wang Talu in 2017 instead of adding to the existing page and asking for it to be moved to the new title. That was quickly turned into a redirect by an editor who recognised that it was a duplicate article.

At this stage you can add more information to Darren Wang, including reliable sources which confirm that he is now better known as "Wang Talu". You can then ask for this page to be moved to that title, thus keeping all the history of the editors who have worked on it. If you keep trying to create a duplicate article at Wang Talu, you will keep being reverted until eventually quite likely you are blocked to protect the encyclopedia from this disruptive editing. (@Chrissymad, Onel5969, and Treysand: for info.) PamD 14:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Doedoeneoneo I'll add to the previous statement and say that you should absolutely not be editing either page directly and need to request any changes that you wish to make on the talk page as you have a direct conflict of interest. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:20, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

• @PamD: Dear, sorry for the late reply. Thank you very much for this information. I just realized that I should perform "move", not "redirect". I am not good at wiki. I might need your help. I just went to "Darren Wang" and selected "More -> Move". I got some problems as below:

(1) On "Move Darren Wang" page, there is a drop-down list for "New Title". There are many items but I do not know which one I should choose.

(2) Next to the drop-down list, there is a text field with "Darren Wang" in it. Should I modify it to "Wang Talu"?

(3) In the text field "Reason", I should put all the reliable sources (screen credits) to prove that he has changed his name to "Wang Talu". Is it correct?

Thank you very much for your help and time! -Doedoeneoneo (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:05, 16 August 2018‎

@Doedoeneoneo: Please see my note about COI on your talk page, and reply there. Thanks. PamD 07:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@PamD: Dear, please put all your notes and questions here. All your notes and questions are important to those people who would like to work on "Wang Talu" wiki page. Thank you. -Doedoeneoneo (talk) 10:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Doedoeneoneo: My question is about you and your status as an editor. Please answer it on your talk page. Thanks. PamD 11:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@PamD: Dear, I would like all people to see your note about COI and questions you asked me. As I said, the COI and questions are important to everyone who is going to work on "Wang Talu". Also, it is better to introduce yourself first at here. Let people know who you are and your status as an editor. Then you could ask us questions. Please let us know more about you at here. Thank you! - Doedoeneoneo (talk) 16:07, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Doedoeneoneo: I am a Wikipedia editor. I have asked you a question on your talk page. I am waiting for your answer, there. Anyone reading this who is interested can follow the link to your talk page. PamD 17:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@PamD: Dear, sorry for the late. Please put COI information and your two questions here. Also It is better that you and Chrissymad could answer the two questions first. Let's resolve all issues. Please do not go to other page.

- For COI information, it is nice to put it here. Then other editors could read it first before editing this article.

- For the two questions, it is nice to put them here. Then people could understand more about COI.

- For you and Chrissymad, it is nice to answer the two questions first. Then we will know your status. Chrissymad has edited this article since December 10, 2016. We are curious about his/her status. It seems that two of you try to stop editors to correct the title of this article. We are very curious about your status. Thank you! - Doedoeneoneo (talk) 13:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

That is not how this works, Doedoeneoneo. You've been asked several questions, several different times. Who is we? CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:47, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Doedoeneoneo: Chrissymad and I are experienced editors who understand Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and are working to improve the encyclopedia, as volunteers. Please reply on your talk page to the question I asked there. PamD 13:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Doedoeneoneo: Please do not make untrue statements about other editors, such as It seems that two of you try to stop editors to correct the title of this article. In my first post, above, I told you how to correct the title of this article. You have ignored that guidance, just as you ignore our questions. Although Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, a certain level of competence in reading and understanding English is necessary, and Personal attacks on other editors are not allowed and may lead to you being blocked from editing. PamD 14:16, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

• @PamD: Dear, I am glad to know that you two are experienced editors. Please go to my talk page. Please copy the following two items you wrote and paste them here.

- COI information

- The questions you asked me

After pasting, please answer them first. Thank you -Doedoeneoneo (talk) 12:31, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Doedoeneoneo You've been asked at your talk page, here and elsewhere. It doesn't need to be on your talk to answer and I'd suggest doing so here. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:28, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

See the following -

• 'August 16 2018 here on your talk page
• August 1 2018 here on this talk page where I specifically gave you guidance on COI editing despite your refusal to answer

And all you have to do is scroll up for the rest, so please either disclose per WP:COIDISCLOSEPAY or answer directly what your conflict of interest is. Thanks. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:31, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• PamD and Chrissymad Dear all, please discuss all the related issues in this page. Let me repeat it again.

Steps:

1. PamD, please go to my talk page.

2. PamD, please copy Managing a conflict of interest policy you wrote in my talk page to here.

3. PamD, please copy the questions you asked on 16 August 2018 and 27 August 2018 in my talk page to here.

4. After copying, PamD and Chrissymad, both of you, please answer each question here.

Thank you! - Doedoeneoneo (talk) 13:30, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

@Doedoeneoneo: This talk page is for discussion of the article. The messages and warnings left on your talk page pertain to your conduct as an editor, and the appropriate place to respond to those messages in on your talk page. If you think the messages pertain to this article, you may link to those responses here. Bradv 13:37, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Doedoeneoneo as this pertains specifically to this article it should be discussed here. You have been asked the same questions on your talk page and here ad nauseum. Given that you've flat out refused to answer and are only taking us in circles, it might behoove you to read WP:TENDENTIOUS and answer the question, otherwise I am going to take this to WP:AN or WP:COIN as you continue to ask us questions, unrelated to this article and have yet to provide a single reliable source to establish the change you are seeking. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:00, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Name change

An editor who has now been blocked wanted to change the title of this article to Wang Talu (but persisted in going about it the wrong way by first creating a duplicate article, and then pasting the contents of this article over the redirect which other editors had created instead of the duplicate article). I cannot find any Reliable Source to confirm the name change: most of the sources in the article are in Chinese. If it can be confirmed from reliable sources that (a) the two names refer to the same person and (b) "Wang Talu" is the name he is most commonly known by, then it would be in order to make a proper Requested Move and I would be happy to do so if I saw such sources added to the article (in a language I can read). Contrary to the assertion above I have no objection to changing the title of the article, doing it the right way by moving it, if indeed the correct name of the article has changed. I note that the same editor instigated the change of name at IMDb (or at least asked for, and got, advice on how to do so), which emphasises the unreliability of that database. PamD 14:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

It appears to me that the subject is trying to effect a name change to his Chinese name and starting with Wikipedia, which is backward. Once the reliable sources predominantly use Wang Talu, or Ta Lu Wang, or another variant, then we can make the proposal here. Right now this is premature, as Darren Wang is still the name most commonly used in English. Bradv 14:49, 29 August 2018 (UTC)