Talk:DargonZine

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Well, I'd like to try and defend the inclusion of DargonZine in Wikipedia. How can I start? A non-profit volunteer electronic magazine that's been in continuous production since the early days of the internet seems a notable item. It even has an ISSN number! It has served as a forum for amateur authors to improve their craft for over 24 years and used technology to bring people together from across the world. Dargon2008 (talk) 17:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

6/10/08 - I've gone ahead and edited the article to cite references from historical internet archives including NetHistory and Textfiles.com. I hope this helps establish that the ezine has, in fact, been around for 24 years. And I hope that its ties with BITNET, the academic network in place before the mainstream establishment of the internet, can convince the editors that the group's continued existence warrants an entry in Wikipedia Dargon2008 (talk) 17:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The bulk of the available data on DargonZine comes from DargonZine itself. Furthermore, this article was deleted once before with no contestation. Unless it is written about by reliable outside source with no ties to the publication, it would appear to be NN to anyone not connected with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bronzevine (talk • contribs) 05:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So if I didn't belong to DargonZine and submitted this article then it would be ok? That seems like a strange argument. Besides, most Internet entities don't get written about in the mainstream press. I would propose that a group that has been around for 24 years and transitioned from pre-internet to internet would be notable. But alas, I guess I'm considered biased in this regard. Dargon2008 (talk) 17:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Two AfDs

The article survived two AfDs but is still tagged for Notability since 2008, and sourcing is extremely poor. Is this worth nominating a 3rd time? K.e.coffman (talk) 02:41, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I cleaned up the article a bit by removing uncited or poorly cited / dubious material -- there's not much left. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:56, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete!

It's patently obvious that the creator of this article created it purely for promotional purposes. The user, Dargon2008, has not made any other edits since June 2008, and so that shows that the account was made specifically for that purpose. If he or she had not created this article, it would not exist today!

As for some of the things mentioned in the AFD discussiosn like having an ISSN number and being archived elsewhere? Rubbish. Anyone can request an ISSN and it will be given free of charge, so that's not any great achivement. And as for being archived, other websites like Totse and Skepticfiles have vacuumed up their back issues so as to have content for their own selves and purposes. Just because the site owners of DargonZine have paid for decades to have an online presense, is not evidence of notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharpbrood (talk • contribs) 06:34, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]