Talk:Danny La Rue

OBE

Did he receive his OBE for a particular accomplishment or contribution? Do they come with citations of why the person was honored? RJFJR 17:54, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

"Those household names who are honoured today include Danny La Rue, probably the nation's favourite drag artist, who is awarded an OBE for charitable services. He has, over the years, raised many thousands of pounds in the war against Aids.

La Rue, who insists he never wears frocks unless he is paid to do so, believes he is the first woman impersonator to appear in an Honours List. "I feel 20ft tall, " he said. "This is the proudest moment of my life." - Britain's great and good are honoured, Bath Chronicle, 6/15/2002 Bangdrum (talk) 02:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Image

I tried to improve the b&w photo with a new color one that has replaced the old one at Commons. Couldn't get this to work. Linkage problem or do I not know what I am doing? Anonymous #365,224

Above is obsolete. SoCoColl (talk) 12:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Drag Queen?

I saw La Rue perform many times, and he was not a drag queen. He's best known for his many TV performamces. There, usually, he did the entire Act One of a musical hall revue as a man and Act Two as a woman, or vice versa, and very successful/convincing as either. As far as I know, we gave live rerformances, never imitated female stars and never lip synched. I think the term transgender performances best descibes what he did, and made that change, which now has been reversed by someone claiming there is no such thing. ??? Restoring. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:13, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello there SergeWoodzing; I was the editor who made the change. I'm happy to discuss the appropriateness of using drag queen in this instance, although "transgender performances" certainly isn't appropriate; being transgender is a state of being, not something one can put together for a performance. One is trans, or one is cis, and from what I gather La Rue was undoubtedly cis. What might be a good term to use here is "cross-dressing performances", however I can certainly find referenced sources attesting to the fact that La Rue was a drag queen; for instance, in his biography of Paul O'Grady, Neil Simpson refers to La Rue as "the grande dame of drag" (p. 106), while Peter Underwood's book is called Life's a Drag: Danny la Rue and the Drag Scene. Even La Rue himself titled his autobiography From Drags to Riches. Bear in mind that not all drag queens lip synch or imitate female stars; these are things that many drag queens do as part of their performances, but they are just as likely to sing their own songs or create characters all of their own. Think of drag acts like Divine, RuPaul, or Conchita Wurst, all of whom perform their own, unique material. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I see you didn't actually want to diacuss this, just change everything exactly the way you think it should be. So why should I even bother to reply? Edit war looks to me like to only way to deal with you. OK then, but first 4 questions for you:

1. Who's Neil Simpson (assumably neither of the athletes) whose characterization of this famous entertainer (best known for performing 50% of the time as a convincing man) you now think is appropriate for the lead of this article?
2. Have you ever seen La Rue perform?
3. Have you read From Drags to Riches so you know what La Rue meant by that title?
4. Didn't you notice that La Rue was well known for not liking to be called a female impersonator but preferred "comic in a frock"? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I apologise if I offended you with my actions SergeWoodzing, but frankly I am bemused as to why you appear to be assuming such bad faith on my part. Had you chosen to look at my user profile, you would have been made aware that I am a highly experienced user who has previously focused on bringing various drag, trans and gender variant related articles up to GA quality (see for instance Divine (performer) and Murder of Dwayne Jones, as well as my ongoing work over at Paul O'Grady and Conchita Wurst). Of course that in itself doesn't give me free rein to do whatever I want on this particular article, but I think it should mean that you should cut me some slack rather than instantaneously jumping to negative assertions and making false accusations against me. As it stands, this article is of pretty naff quality, and I made an edit (this one) in an attempt to make a very small improvement to it, i.e. by removing the factually incorrect statement that La Rue performed "transgender performances" and further slightly increasing the ever so scant lede with a piece of referenced information. I certainly did not undo your previous edits, nor insist that La Rue was a drag queen (although I have pointed out that many sources assert that he was); my edit was was far from being the invitation to edit war that you seem to have interpreted it as. Bear in mind that we have civility policies here at Wikipedia, and it would be nice it you adhered to them rather than adopting such an antagonistic and accusative stance toward a fellow editor. Midnightblueowl (talk) 23:10, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Apology accepted, ambiguously, since you really don't seem to think you did anything wrong in changing the article the way you wanted it rather than complete some kind of talk about it, a talk which you seem to have begun according to civility policies here at Wikipedia, but then, sad to say, abandoned for more impatient one-sided action on the article. That's not the way things are supposed to be done, and as a a highly experienced user you surprise me even more in doing something like that.

I've had very close contact with transvestism and drag queens sine 1968 and worked with the subject very extensively up until 2012.

I too am sorry if I offended you, and my apology is sincere, without additional slurs added.

Now, how about answering my questions? That would made me feel more like you really do believe in the general jist of The importance of Being Earnest. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:14, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I did not do anything wrong according to Wikipedia policy. I did not revert your edits. I did not engage in edit warring. I engaged in a conversation on this talk page, adopting a pleasant and amiable attitude toward you from the start. In the edit which you took such umbrage with, all I did was remove factually erroneous (and indeed offensive) information from the article by changing "transgender performances" to "cross-dressing performances", and added a further piece of referenced information. At the same time I engaged in dialogue in the hope of making further improvements to the article. Hence, your accusations against me are as false as they are unpleasant. That being the case, I have little interest in continuing this senseless conversation or answering your probing questions. I prefer to spend my time at Wikipedia engaged in far more constructive tasks. Midnightblueowl (talk) 19:50, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm not accustomed to being accused of things unfairly without being given a decent opportunity to defend myself.

• You first replied to my intital comment in this thread at 11:47 16 December 2014‎.
• Without awaiting any reply you proceeded to alter my input again at 11:51 16 December 2014‎ 4, that's 3 minutes after you first engaged in this conversation.

That's not the way things are supposed to be done. As an experienced editor, I'm sure you actually know better than to profess complete innocence, just to try to make me look bad. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

WP:Edit war: "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions, rather than trying to resolve the disagreement through discussion. Edit warring is unconstructive and creates animosity between editors, making it harder to reach a consensus. Note that an editor who repeatedly restores his or her preferred version is edit warring, whether or not the edits were justifiable: 'but my edits were right, so it wasn't edit warring is no defense." Repeatedly means repeatedly, as in twice or more.

Your fake apology hardly makes all this any better. I find it the most offensive and uncivil, as I think anyone would. SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:59, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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His stage name

Obviously, Danny La Rue is a play on the French dans la rue; is there some way to cite for that and mention it? - Jmabel | Talk 04:25, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Unsourced info

I rolled back 2 new edits with unsourced info about his business dealings. Such info must be sourced to be added to an article. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:03, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Nationality?

Is there any way to find out of La Rue was a citizen of the United Kingdom? Did he ever live in Ireland as an adult? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

The short answer is I don't know if DLR held UK citizenship, but it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't. The majority of Irish citizens resident in the UK don't bother jumping through the hoops needed to get a British passport, because Irish citizens are effectively treated as British under arrangements made at Irish independence in 1922. --Ef80 (talk) 15:16, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Danny La Rue's connection with the DC Comics character bearing similar name

Being a the article is about Danny La Rue, had Mr. Rue contributed in any way to the character Danny The Street during his life? Is there any published reference within DC Comics that can be cited to indicate how their character is connected? 85.51.16.3 (talk) 10:36, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Earnshaw Street

Earnshaw Street isn't in Soho. It is to the east in the Covent Garden district near St Giles. Joss (talk) 17:23, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

"Resting place"?

Tried to change that non-encyclopedic term to "burial" in the info box. Wouldn't take. Anyone know how? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 07:56, 9 May 2023 (UTC)