Talk:Danger Force

Re: Danger Force cast

I know some recent edits have made it clear that Barnes and Cohen are reprising their roles from Henry Danger, but should something similar be added regarding the four new characters in this? As stated in the press release, "Danger Force’s four brand-new superheroes-in-training will be introduced in the final episodes of Henry Danger, currently premiering Saturdays at 8 p.m. (ET/PT) on Nickelodeon."

In regards to that, we know:

• Havan Flores as Chapa - S5 E34 "Game of Phones"
• Terrence Little Gardenhigh as Miles - S5 E33 "Escape Room"
• Dana Heath as Mika - S5 E33 "Escape Room"
• Luca Luhan as Bose - TBA (hasn't appeared yet)

Not sure if it should be included or not, but I was thinking at least something indicating that they were first introduced in the last episodes of Henry Danger. Magitroopa (talk) 17:30, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

It's notable for Barnes and Cohen because they are main cast in Henry Danger and are returning to star in Danger Force. Guess stars can't "return" because they were never main cast. Amaury • 17:34, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, while something should probably be said about this, it's much less... "notable" in the case of the 4 kids... Maybe something along the lines of what was done at Legacies (TV series) – "...The role originated on Henry Danger."? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:45, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

"Quaran-kini"

I'm not entirely sure currently, but should the "Quaran-kini" quarantine special be moved to the specials section? Per The Futon Critic, production code is #999, and Zap2it lists it just like the upcoming shorts the next few weeks (that are already in the specials section). Any input is appreciated. Magitroopa (talk) 18:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I would say no – it played like a "regular episode", though one that took place entirely via Zoom. I also don't recall any RS at the time categorizing it as a "special". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:17, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I have no objection to whatever is decided- but this could change your mind:

• While Futon Critic lists it as just "Quaran-kini", Zap2it lists it as "Quaran-kini Special" (Also what I previously said that Zap2it lists it just like the upcoming shorts)
• Video from the official Henry Danger YouTube channel - title says "Quaran-Kini Special"
• Official press release - calls it a, "Virtually Produced Special"
• Variety article - "On Saturday night, Nickelodeon will present a special episode of “Danger Force” that is not among the ViacomCBS network’s initial order for the series."
• Extra article - "Frankie Grande Returns as Villain in New ‘Danger Force’ Quarantine Special!", "the city of Smellview in quarantine in the virtual special “Quaran-kini,”"

Hopefully these can help out a bit... Magitroopa (talk) 18:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

First off, I would advise that some of these sources be used to add something to the 'Production' section about this episode – it's clearly a notable episode in its own right because of the whole Zoom thing... Besides that, Variety (which I consider the gold-standard) calls it a "a special episode" which tells me that it's still an "episode" in terms of where it should be placed. It's still a little early yet, as well – I'm curious to see if this episode is "in continuity" – IOW, it's unclear if future episodes will refer to the events in "Quaran-kini" or not. If they do, then I would definitely say it should stay where it is. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Press release went up today regarding the upcoming 'minisodes' (starting this Saturday). While yes, we should wait and see if "Quaran-kini" is referred to in future episodes, wanting to note that I find this part interesting... the press release contains a sneak peak clip on YouTube, and the description of it states, "Picking up directly following the events of the “Quaran-kini” special that aired in May"... Magitroopa (talk) 20:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I think we shouldn't just call the section "Specials" because that would imply any special episode is covered. Based on what Nick did with Henry Danger, Danger Force is going to have lots of episodes promoted as specials even in press-releases. So, future specials will also be up for debate to be included in this section, and that would just mess up the established flow. My suggestion would be to rename the section to "Minisodes" or "Shorts" or some other wording that doesn't get confused with regular specials. Like how we have "Shorts" in Loud House and "Stuck in the Store" for Stuck in the Middle. — Starforce¹³ 20:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

'Shorts' sounds good to me as a section header (esp. if that's how sources refer to them...). These will air on Nick, not just "online", correct? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:32, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@IJBall: Yes, for the next few weeks the schedule will be:

• Danger Force minisodes at 8pm
• Unfiltered at 8:05pm
• All That at 8:35pm

Interestingly enough, only DF minisodes are scheduled for August 22 & 29... Unfiltered has season finale on the 15th (6 episodes long), and it seems All That will be done airing however much they filmed pre-COVID that same night. And in regards to the, "These will air on Nick, not just "online", correct?"- Like I said before, yes, they will be airing on Nick as that schedule. However, as the press release points out, "Fans eager to watch will be able to stream episodes early on the Nick app every Thursday beginning Aug. 6.". Magitroopa (talk) 21:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

In one of Chris’s and Mike’s Instagram live streams. CHRIS did type in the comments that this was separate from the series and not part of the original 13.JakeTheSnake55 (talk) 18:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Even if true, their Instagrams are WP:NOTRS like they always have been- since they are unverified. As before, we can wait and see if the episode is referenced at all in future episodes. Magitroopa (talk) 18:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

And as for the addition of the writing/directing credits for "Secrets Revealed!"- there is no credits listed in the intro or at the end in both the television airing and purchasable version. A comment from one of them saying they directed/wrote it would remain unreliable, as their Instagrams are not reliable sources (I'm thinking the writing/directing and viewership columns will probably be getting removed in the future from the shorts...). Magitroopa (talk) 18:42, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Mike’s account was just confirmed today. JakeTheSnake55 (talk) 19:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh wow, didn't see that! Is his Instagram fine to use as a source now, IJBall? If so, I'd assume the, "I loved DIRECTING these shorts!!" from here would be useful, and probably some stuff from here. Magitroopa (talk) 19:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I think we're still in the same boat – some sources call them "shorts", others call them "minisodes". Based on this, and WP:ONUS, I think we can call them what we like, and "Shorts" makes the most sense to me. And in terms of "Quaran-kini", I don't think anything has changed – we should just leave it where it is for now, and see what happens. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:51, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Well actually, in this case, I was moreso referring to the credits for the shorts/minisodes... There are no credits listed at the opening or end of the TV-airing and the purchasable version. Would his Instagram now be fine to use as a source for the credits (Currently listed as 'TBA'...)? Magitroopa (talk) 19:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't think we should include credits at all because it's highly unlikely that we're going to get a consistent source for all the minisodes by relying on instagram posts. We should just remove the columns entirely. — Starforce¹³ 20:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Yep. We can add a line of prose above the table reporting that he directed them. But I agree – no credits = shouldn't be in the table. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I removed them then. JakeTheSnake55 (talk) 00:36, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that the viewership data is available, either, similar to the Stuck in the Middle shorts from 2016, so perhaps that column should be removed as well. Amaury • 00:46, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. We should remove the viewers column as well. No need to have a column that's just going to be TBA. — Starforce¹³ 01:05, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Yep, I was just gonna wait until ratings come out on Monday to remove that (just to ensure it's the same scenario for the first two minisodes), but perfectly fine with it being removed now if that's what everyone wants. Magitroopa (talk) 01:07, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Just removed it. Magitroopa (talk) 16:51, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Created By

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The Created by credits have changed on the show. Originally the show said Created by Christopher J. Nowak. However new episodes and older repeat episodes have changed to say Created by Dan Schneider and Dana Olsen and developed by Christopher J. Nowak. This should change in the top text side bar which do not appear to be editable. Jvac2 (talk) 14:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)Jvac2

I know it can't be used as a source, but apparently this is what's been changed. According to the same user here, the same changes were present in "Mika in the Middle". I have yet to see for myself as I've been busy with plenty of other shows airing on other networks and stuff in my life as well (I'm very behind on many recent Nickelodeon shows!), but how exactly should it be handled that the sources/press releases and episode openings of previous episodes say one thing, and now the episode openings have something entirely different?

Personally, doesn't make sense to me at all... if anything, it should be that the Danger Force characters were created by Dan & Dana. Really not sure why they'd all of a sudden start saying the series was created by them now. Magitroopa (talk) 15:38, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Let's wait until you and some others check the credits yourself to confirm this. But absent a secondary source on the matter, it's going to be tough – we should probably go off what the later episodes say, and then possibly add a 'ref note' indicating that the crediting changed from the earlier episodes. My guess is that this may be one of those things that went to arbitration at one of the guilds (maybe the Producers Guild?), and the ruling went in favor of Schneider & Olsen, and against Nowak. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:59, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Has there been any follow-up on this?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:24, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

The infobox should be correct. I verified everything here. Amaury • 23:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

The contention is that the credits have changed since the show first premiered, though. Has any one checked or verified this? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I can check one of the latest episodes when I'm back from work. I have not seen this series yet. I only watched the opening and ending of the first episode for the credits. I still have a huge backlog of DVR recordings. I still have not seen several of the final episodes of Henry Danger (IIRC, I got through the January ones). Otherwise, I have not seen any of the 2020 episode premieres for Nickelodeon. Likewise with Disney Channel, with the exception of the very first 2020 episode of Gabby Duran & the Unsittables. And, of course, the broadcast networks, and not only recent episodes, but episodes from last television season as well. Amaury • 00:43, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

References

Chris isn’t credited as creator

Chris isn’t listed as creator anymore for the series instead he is listed as developed by and Dan and Dana are listed as shows creators in the opening titles of the show I Think think this should be changed to reflect that. Is it made of Wood (talk) 03:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Look at the topic above. What has not been answered was whether Nowak is created "creator" in the earlier episodes, and it was changed in later episodes (in which case, he should remain listed as one of the creators), or whether credits were retroactively changed after some episode aired. In the latter case, we really need more information – preferably a source explaining the change. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

IJBall, Amaury, I've confirmed from the show - the credits changed starting with "Quaran-kini Special" episode. Before that, Nowak was credited as the creator. They changed to "Created by Dan & Dana"; and "Developed by Nowak". It's similar to how Raven's Home credits That's So Raven creators, and how the CW Charmed credits the original Charmed creator as the creator... while the actual reboot/spinoff creators get a "Developed By" credit. Since simply calling DanWarp the creator in the lead can be misleading, we could change it to "Developed by Christopher Nowak based on characters created by Dan Schneider and Dana Olsen."— Starforce¹³ 19:29, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

He really needs to be listed as creator (first), or at the least there needs to be a note that Nowak was credited as "created by" for the first 5–6 episodes. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:42, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I think we could say "Developed by" and then add an efn to mention that he was also credited as the creator in the first 5 episodes. I don't think we even need to mention Schneider and Olsen in the lead - we don't mention the Raven's creators in the Raven's Home lead either. In the infobox though, we could list all three as creators, starting with Nowak. — Starforce¹³ 19:57, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

That would be acceptable for the lede (and 'Production' section too, though there I would mention the other two listed as creators), yeah. Agree all three should be listed as creator in the Infobox, and probably Nowak again in the developer parameter (possibly with the same note in the IB too). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:08, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I have made the changes. Feel free to make any c/e as needed. — Starforce¹³ 20:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Revisiting this... but the full episodes are actually available on the Nickelodeon website as of a few months ago (Yay!) I honestly haven't been keeping up with Nickelodeon shows, and my last episode I watched was "Chapa's Crush" (I did also see the minisodes when those aired, but haven't seen anything from "Return of the Kid" onward).

Quickly taking a look, it seems that the note saying 'first five episodes' is partially correct/wrong, and BrickMaster's recent edits are partially correct/wrong. Just taking a very quick glance at each of them:

• "Captain Mayonnaise"/"Ray Goes Cray" - "Created By Christopher J. Nowak" [1]
• "Villains' Night" - "Created By Christopher J. Nowak" [2]
• "Mime Games" - "Created By Christopher J. Nowak" [3]
• "Quaran-kini" - "Created By Dan Schneider & Dana Olsen" [4]
• "Chapa's Crush" - "Created By Christoper J. Nowak" [5]
• "Return of the Kid" - "Created By Dan Schneider & Dana Olsen" [6]
• "Mika in the Middle" - "Created By Dan Schneider & Dana Olsen" [7]
• "The Thousand Pranks War: Part I" - "Created By Dan Schneider & Dana Olsen" [8]

So it seems that it switched back over to "Created By Christoper J. Nowak" for "Chapa's Crush", then went back and continued the new credits afterwards. Obviously we don't know for sure, but I would assume it could have something to do with the fact that "Chapa's Crush" was the last episode they were able to film in-studio prior to production shutdown, which then "Quaran-kini" was made while production was shut down, and "Return of the Kid" was the first episode they were able to film in-studio again. Either way, the note may need a little adjustment. No idea if it ever went back to Chris as the creator in any episodes after "The Thousand Pranks War: Part I", but I can quickly check on that if needed. Magitroopa (talk) 05:07, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

It makes sense – "Quaran-kini", despite having a "999" prod. code, is almost certainly "107". "Chapa's Crush" was prod. code "106". So, in fact, the first "six" (produced) episodes were credited that way, and then all after that were credited the other way. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:14, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

*Sigh*... Me being me, I love to double/triple/etc. check everything just to be safe and make sure things are correct- I revisited the first few episode credits as I haven't seen those in sometime, and I just checked the credits of all the other new episodes I haven't seen yet.

• All episodes prior to "Captain Mayonnaise"/"Ray Goes Cray" ("The Danger Force Awakens" + "Say My Name") have Nowak credited as creator (as I had thought so)
• All episodes after "The Thousand Pranks War: Part I" ("The Thousand Pranks War: Part II" through "Twin It to Win It") have Schneider/Olsen credited as creators

Feel free to update the note on the article as needed with all that information. (Also saw an error in what I said before- apparently "Mika in the Middle" is actually "108" and not "Return of the Kid"...? Thought it was the other way around, but both have the new credits and are both from after production resumed, so same case either way). Magitroopa (talk) 05:41, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall and Magitroopa:, It looks like "Chapa's Crush" credits were retroactively changed, which explains the difference between my initial review and Magitroopa's screenshot. The version Magitroopa provided from Nick's app and a recording I have from 8 months ago show "Created by Nowak." But a recording I have from yesterday and the current VOD version show Created by Schneider and Olsen - posted both versions here. This seems to be the only case where the credit was retroactively changed so far. With that said, I'm not sure how we want to deal with the note.— Starforce¹³ 21:09, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes- I can't confirm regarding recent airings/reruns of it, but I have the original airing of the episode (from August 1, 2020) and can confirm that it has "Created By Christopher J. Nowak". Magitroopa (talk) 21:27, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi everyone, there is the scoop on this based on insider knowledge. There is a union called the Writers Guild Association that determines these answers based on sets of rules and panels of judges. Nickelodeon put Chris Nowak as a creator and then Nickelodeon was challenged on this. It went through WGA arbitration and the WGA determined that Chris did not change the show enough to get a created by credit and therefore was given a developed by credit. They also ordered Nickelodeon to change the credits in the first few episodes to remove Chris as a creator. You can call the WGA and ask them and if you watch re-runs you will see he only has developed by. He should not be listed a creator. And when you see Season 2 picked up Deadline says it was only created by Dan and Dana https://deadline.com/2021/03/danger-force-tyler-perrys-young-dylan-renewed-nickelodeon-side-hustle-1234716800/ jvac2 (talk) 21:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Yet, it still originally aired with him credited as the creator. It is already explained through the note and is fine as it is. This was already settled/figured out a few months ago, and you've just decided to come back and change it to your own preference about 1 year after similar edits. Continuing on with this is plainly disruptive and will likely lead on to a future block. Magitroopa (talk) 19:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Only suggestion is enhance the note if we can source the info about the WGA. We cannot depend on inside knowledge for this. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:19, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez and @ Magitroopa I find it interesting that you would rather have fake information rather than the truth. What people decide amongst themselves on the internet is not the truth. In this case there is legally binding authority who decides theses matters, the WGA as described on the WGA arbitration page: https://www.wga.org/contracts/credits/manuals/survival-guide

A. Series with separated rights. “Created by” credit If there are “separated rights4” in an episodic series, the “Created by” credit and the separated rights are accorded to the writer(s) with “Written by” or “Story by” credit on the pilot episode of the series and/or the writer(s) of the series format.5 In the case of a series reboot, if the reboot utilizes the same format as the original series, the reboot is, for purposes of separated rights, considered the same series as the original and the writer(s) with separated rights in the original series retain the separated rights in, and the “Created by” credit on, the reboot. If there is a question regarding whether a reboot utilizes the same format as the original series, the Guild submits the matter to an Expert Reader, who reviews the format and/or pilot of the original series and the pilot for the reboot and provides an expert opinion whether the format is the same. “Developed by” credit Unlike “Created by” credit, on a series in which there are separated rights, “Developed by” credit is not given automatically and there are no MBA benefits that attach to the credit if it is accorded. Rather, “Developed by” credit on a series with separated rights is subject to the following requirements: 1) the Company must agree to propose you for credit; 2) the credit is subject to automatic arbitration to determine its appropriateness; and 3) it may only be accorded to a writer who is eligible for, but not entitled to, “Created by” credit on the series, a writer who received “Teleplay by” credit on the pilot episode of the series, and/or a writer who has “contributed to the distinctiveness and viability of the series.” The writer of the pilot episode of a reboot may be entitled to “Developed by” credit on the reboot based on the latter criterion if the Arbitration Committee deems it appropriate.

Since everyone is aware that Chris was removed as creator, he clearly lost the WGA arbitration and was stripped of his created by credit and given a developed by Credit. In repeats, you will see that he no longer has created by credits because the WGA (the legally ruling body of these issues that cannot be challenged in a court of law) decided that was the case. So for Wikipedia editors to decide that they know more than a legally binding authority sources does not make sense. The WGA does not publish decisions on each case but you can tell what the decisions are because the credits have been changed.

This is not a debate. This is truth and fact. What you insist on keeping on the page is 100% false and makes wikipedia a non credible source of information. jvac2 (talk) 20:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia requires reliable sources. The facts as sourced and the actual indisputable truth that we can and have verified with reliable sources including contemporaneous credits is that Nowak was listed in the episode credits as creator for the first few episodes at the time they were released and the creator credit was changed for later episodes. That is what we know for a fact and what the article currently accurately reflects. The assertion that the reason for the change was a WGA dispute action and the assertion that the dispute response was to change the credits and remove all mention of Nowak, is at this point an unsourced statement. Even given as true that WGA ordered that all mention of Nowak be removed from source copies of the episodes credits for future release doesn't change the fact that he was actually listed in the credits before the change was ordered. Even WGA can't change history. The most they can do is declare the original credit was wrong and to not do that in future releases. If we can get sources of what was done, we can update the article to reflect what we can source. This is interesting info and should be in the article. But it doesn't change how the credits get listed in the infobox as that reflects the original airing info. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You sound like a WP:POV editor, rather than somebody who is actually interested in improving articles. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez @IJBall I am someone who is actually interested in improving articles Nickelodeon even says on Oct 24, 2021 https://www.nickpress.com/press-releases/2021/10/04/jace-norman-returns-to-nickelodeons-hit-series-danger-force-for-an-epic-four-part-season-two-premiere-event-beginning-saturday-oct-23-at-8-p-m-et-pt "Danger Force is developed and executive produced by Christopher J. Nowak" "Danger Force was created by Schneider & Olsen" If that was not true why would they say that? They are not going to admit publicly that they made a mistake on the first 5 episodes and changed it. The source above at a later date tells you the truth. If you go and look at re-runs of the first 5 episodes you will see that the credits have been changed. This is not revising history. Nickelodeon made a mistake and fixed it but the editors of this page refuse to listen to that. May 21, 2021 https://www.nickpress.com/press-releases/2021/05/21/nickelodeons-danger-force-and-tyler-perrys-young-dylan-return-with-new-episodes-beginning-saturday-june-12-at-8-p-m-et-pt "Danger Force is developed and executive produced by Christopher J. Nowak (Henry Danger, Sam & Cat) and was created by Dan Schneider & Dana Olsen."

If you don't believe Nickelodeon who owns the show, then you are going to believe? Those links are the most credible sources that you can find. talk) 17:43, 5 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvac2 (talk • contribs)

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How we handle the 'Guest cast' section

I would like to suggest that we change the way we handle guest cast at this article. As all of the "guest cast" listed in that section, with just one exception, appeared in a single episode (the series premiere), I suggest we transition the format of this section from 'list'-format (which is frankly clunky in the case of this show where we're listing about 10 people who all just briefly cameoed in the series premiere) to sentence/paragraph format. To something approximately like:

"A number of characters who formerly appeared on Henry Danger cameo in the premiere episode of Danger Force, including the Toddler (Ben Giroux),... And Henry Danger star Jace Norman appears as Henry Hart in the episodes...

Does anyone have any objection to this?... If not, we can discuss exactly how we want to phrase the sentences in the revised section. But I think doing a list in the case of this show is the wrong choice. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

I haven't watched this series at all yet. I am slowly getting through my huge DVR backlog. (So far I've gotten fully caught up with Raven's Home and Gabby Duran & the Unsittables. And I am through episode 21 of Coop & Cami Ask the World's second season. And there's still a lot to go, as besides Nickelodeon and Disney Channel, I also have the broadcast networks, minus Fox and The CW since I don't watch anything on those two. *sighs*) So I still need go these episodes to confirm if there were guest stars, especially the earlier ones, or if the guest stars listed are correct. So it's possible that, to date, those seemingly "one-time" appearances aren't actually so. Although in general, I prefer the list format, anyway, since it should be consistent with the main and recurring sections above. Amaury • 19:51, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

I've seen enough to tell you that Trent & Mary appear often, and I think no one else does. A few have appeared twice – once in the series premiere and once in the "Quarankini" special. Jace Norman has also appeared twice (in back-to-back episodes). The "Prank Wars" 2-parter also has the same guest stars, but outside of Gabrielle Nevaeh Green from All That, I doubt they're worth mentioning. Also, the actor who played game show host Danny Chest on H.D. appears in an episode (he's probably worth mentioning too)... Bottom line: I think all of this is better handled in sentence/paragraph format, than in list format, because so many of the notable guest stars appear in the same couple of episodes. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:05, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Correction: It looks like the Toddler is in 3 or 4 episodes (if in 4, he should maybe be moved to 'Recurring'). Also, Goomer appears twice, but not in the "Quarankini" special. Despite all of that, I still think a list-format is a poor choice here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Mary and in Trent have been in a lot of episodes - more than ten so far. The Toddler is in 4 episodes. So, I will move him to recurring. I agree with the paragraph/prose approach for the notable guests. The list is becoming too large which makes the sub-section WP:UNDUEWEIGHT proportionally.

We might also want to restrict it to just the most notable stars or most notable Henry Danger cast/characters. For example, I don't believe Mark (Arnie Pantoja) and Joey (Jim Mahoney) need to be in this list simply because they were in HD. — Starforce¹³ 19:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I'd agree, because their appearance was a cameo (though if we switch to sentence format, it might make sense to still include them). OTOH, Danny Chest's appearance was not a cameo, so I think he should be included... FTR, I'm not sure when I'll get a chance to try to write up a draft for the revised 'Notable guest cast' section – it make take me a while because of work. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:19, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I would support more just removing the notable guest stars section altogether and just having main and recurring than converting it to prose. I oppose the prose. (Did that rhyme?) Formatting in each main section (if there are sub-sections, as otherwise it's just a section, like when only main cast are listed) should always be consistent, which even MOS:TVCAST states. In this case, everything under "Cast" should have consistent formatting, which here would be a list. Obviously, in a main section like reception, the sub-sections, like critical, awards, etc. are going to be a mix of prose, tables, etc., but we can't really control that. However, wherever possible, formatting should always be consistent within each main section. Amaury • 20:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it says that. TVCAST says "In some cases, such as unscripted programs with few cast members, or series where the cast frequently changes, it may be more appropriate to include cast information in prose form." Later it does say "To avoid redundancy, use only one method for delivering this information." but what this means is don't use a list and prose in the same section or subsection (IOW, don't "list" the 'main cast', and then do a prose paragraph on the same directly below that in the same section). But I have certainly seen articles where, say, the main cast section is prose, and the guest cast section is a list (though I can't think of a specific example at the moment). In general, the format should be that which best presents the information – in the case of this series, a "list" for guest cast or guest appearances is not the best format. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

In films and some shows like WandaVision and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, we usually list the main (billing block) cast and then use prose for the remaining characters, beginning with something like, "Additionally..." But in those cases, there aren't usually separate "Guest" or "Recurring" sub-sections.... so, it's not exactly apples to apples. I want us to keep the "notable guest" list but I don't want it to get too long. So, if we can't do prose, we'd need to tighten the criteria.— Starforce¹³ 21:24, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I still would rather keep it, and I definitely want to convert it to prose. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:28, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Starforce13: This is typically the criteria I use:

• Anyone who receives a special guest star credit is automatically notable—for example, "Runaway Robot."
• A main cast member from another series on the same network appearing on a series as a guest star makes them notable (if they didn't already receive a special guest star credit, which would make the point moot)—for example, "Knight & Danger." And for me personally, I would count things like Disney Channel and Disney XD as a "single" network for the purposes of this criteria since they're both Disney. But that's just me personally. If we want to be really strict, though, a main cast member from a series on Disney XD appearing as a guest star on a series on Disney Channel, or vice-versa, wouldn't necessarily make them notable. That could just depend on the article.
• From there, it comes more down to consensus and how a person is covered in sources or if they're famous enough—for example, "The Bionic 500" (Logano).

I made an exception here since the characters currently listed were well known; however, at the end of the day, despite it being a spinoff, this is still a different series. So, if we apply the more strict criteria mentioned above, we would only be listing Jace Norman under notable—for now, anyway. If we do that, absolutely no need to go to prose. It's pointless for a cast section, which should have emphasis on the cast/characters rather than be buried in sentences. Add: Now, obviously, if they end up appearing in 5+ episodes, then the criteria above can be completely ignored since they would, of course, be placed in/moved to recurring. Amaury • 21:47, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Obviously, any of Minyak and Goomer, et al. would be notable, as they had non-trivial roles on DF, and are coming from being on HD. I'd argue that Danny Chest is in the same boat. Frankly, all of the cameos from HD in the series premiere should be mentioned – and it's much better to do that in prose than as a clunky list. That could possibly be done in a 'Casting' section, but I don't see why a 'Notable guest appearances'-type section is so out of line: here, it makes sense. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:09, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Do we really need to mention all the Henry Danger cameos? I think for me, it would be @Amaury:'s criteria plus just the undeniably major notable recurring characters like Dr. Minyak, Toddler, Time Jerker, Drex, Nurse Cohort, Frankini, Henry's parents. If we mention every character, including those who played minor roles or appeared only once like Mark, Joey, Danny Chest, I think it will be overkill even for prose... because at this rate, it's clear they're going to keep bringing in more and more Henry Danger characters. — Starforce¹³ 23:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Starforce13: The other thing we could do is use List of Henry Danger characters to also include the characters from here. I made an example here: User:Amaury/sandbox/List of Henry Danger characters. So here we would still have just Jace Norman under notable, but then we would add a see also link, like over at Lab Rats: Elite Force, for people to see more. Also, here all we would have is a simple Dana Heath as Mika, for example. Character bios would be over on the characters page. That way we can have a balance and still list everyone listed now at the characters page, while also avoiding a long list on the parent article here and keeping it clean and tidy. If Danger Force ever gets enough characters, we would just create a separate List of Danger Force characters article and move over the Danger Force information from List of Henry Danger characters to the new article. Amaury • 17:55, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Amaury, when shows share the same universe and a lot of characters like this, it might be more effective to share the same character list. If/when Danger Force gets a lot of its own original characters, we could also rename the HD characters article to cover both like List of Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and Xena: Warrior Princess characters or List of Buffyverse villains and supernatural beings. It would be nice to have one place with the complete character description. So, I would be fine with that too. — Starforce¹³ 00:35, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Just following up here that I have not forgotten about this, but it's likely to be a few weeks before I try to do anything on this front... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:11, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

I put in a request to move the character page, due to both shows using some of the same characters. This discussion is currently ongoing. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:List_of_Henry_Danger_characters Is it made of Wood (talk) 22:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Season 3

This is something about a possibility of a season 3 but it comes from a source that isn't reliable. The source is more like a fan blog.

NickALive!: Nickelodeon Reportedly Orders 'Danger Force' Season 3 Cwater1 (talk) 05:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of Henry Danger characters § Danger Force characters

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of Henry Danger characters § Danger Force characters. Discussion concerns whether a List of characters (LoC) article should be split out from this article, and if so, how. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:37, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

RfC about Splitting Danger Force characters

I recently made an edit as I created List of Danger Force characters and it imminently got reverted back to a redirect. There was no discussion when the list of Henry Danger characters page when it was created. I did ask about putting the info on the Henry Danger character page and no one responded so I went ahead and just made the page for the Danger Force characters. I was going by the issues from my last reverts when splitting articles for Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon pages and was told that do not remove content and subsequently create redirects without prior talk page consensus, and if there is consensus, cite a link to the discussion proving it. Since the Henry Danger character page didn't have a discussion and this show uses many of the same characters it should of been okay and justified to create the split without discussing. Magical Golden Whip (talk) 22:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

WP:BRD applies here. The Henry Danger character list makes sense since all the characters there are original and were introduced in the series. As such, a WP:BOLD split was done, and there were no objections to the split, so it remained. The issue here is that, not including the main characters—although even they're from Henry Danger—there are no original Danger Force characters. Pretty much all of the significant characters are from Henry Danger. In other words, we don't have enough significant original characters introduced in Danger Force alone that warrant a character list split. You bold split was reverted, and at that point, it was time to discuss, which I will grant you are doing now, instead of reverting. Amaury • 22:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Geez, NO, stop – I have continued the discussion at Talk:List of Henry Danger characters#Danger Force characters. Stop spamming this discussion to multiple talk pages, and please suspend/cancel this RfC which is a pointless waste of time. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:48, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Procedurally per WP:PROSPLIT the article where content will be split from is where the split discussion belongs. Per WP:SIZESPLIT this article is too small to support any sort of split. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:16, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay, no one was responding and didn't really know how much time to give as someone told me 12 days was too long, so I didn't know how much time to give it. I kinda did think it would be better to include the Danger Force characters on the Henry Danger character page as many of the Henry Danger characters appear on the show. The only characters that could be included would be Archduke Fernando, Krampus, Lil' Dynomite, Monsieur Man, Officer Walnut, and Deuce Van Nuys as those characters have had major plots and would maybe justify a page just for Danger Force. In my opinion it seemed the page would be too long at that point. I do think if we did include Danger Force the page would have to be renamed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magical Golden Whip‎ (talk • contribs) 00:04, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Need to put the split discussion on the source page as that is what people know about and have on their watch list. If the discussion had been on this page and a week or so with no comments had passed, then a bold split would be generally accepted. I didn't notice this until today when I saw the split happen. WP:SPLIT has lots of info about how do do all this properly. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Danger Force is part of the Henry Danger franchisee. Cwater1 (talk) 18:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

The List of Henry Danger characters includes the character from Danger Force and The Adventures of Kid Danger. Cwater1 (talk) 18:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - Splitting would create a lot of duplicate and/or incomplete information because these are mostly the exact same characters that originated from Henry Danger... either that or we end up with a very shallow article because there aren't many notable Danger Force orginal characters. Like several others and I proposed in the previous discussion, the best alternative would be to rename this article to something like List of Henry Danger and Danger Force characters so that there's no confusion for people searching for Danger Force characters.— Starforce¹³ 21:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

  @Starforce13 I agree with you Cwater1 (talk) 00:00, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

• More recent discussion at Talk:List of Henry Danger characters#Danger Force characters. Again, this RfC should now be closed (as moot). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:26, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Mike Caron

Can I get input on how you guys think the Draft:Mike_Caron page is coming along? Magical Golden Whip (talk) 20:36, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

"Characters of the Henry Danger franchise" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Characters of the Henry Danger franchise to the article Characters of Henry Danger and Danger Force has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 4 § Characters of the Henry Danger franchise until a consensus is reached. Happily888 (talk) 06:48, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Series is ending after 3 seasons.

A recent promo posted on Twitter on a fan account is clearly stating that the show's end is next week. However, as this account is not a reliable source, I suggest waiting until we get more info. Thoughts on this? 1.157.62.240 (talk) 10:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I think we should wait to get better info. For time being, leave date in infobox as present. Leave as present until a year of passed since last episode has premiered if no reliable sourced has been produced. Cwater1 (talk) 20:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2024

Danger Force ending: February 21 2024 Bigga77 (talk) 16:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 18:34, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Note: The promo can't be used. Only an official source from Nickelodeon must be used for the show ending or waiting a year.Magical Golden Whip (talk) 19:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2024

Add something.

Danger Force ended… put the ending name in the title area. 2601:246:8202:5D00:7C80:94D2:70F6:6355 (talk) 23:44, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 00:00, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

It is appropriate haven Flores has been getting a lot of hate so I've just been spreading some love 71.208.86.148 (talk) 23:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I love haven Flores she is probably the best character in danger force not including Jace Norman

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2024

ast_aired = February 21, 2024

Please remove present to February 21, 2024. The show ended recently! 2601:246:8202:5D00:F10E:7FA4:F6D1:EC3C (talk) 14:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Reliable source is required. Promos won't do, sorry. If no reliable source is produced and one-year passes, the end date can be changed per template instructions. Cwater1 (talk) 17:06, 3 March 2024 (UTC)