Talk:Cyril of Alexandria

New theological delights

The current article doesn't mention the works of Marie-Odile Boulnois and father Brian E. Daley who uncovered new aspects on Cyril's dynamic pneumatology. According to his paper, the " The Alexandrian bishop frequently utilizes theological terms, such as grace {charts), communion (koinonia), and participation (metexcho) in order to articulate the exchange between the Holy Spirit and the faithful saints. The grace (charis) of God is actualized in the work of the Holy Spirit, who invites the faithful to participate (metexcho) in communion (koinonia) with the divine life. Ultimately, Cyril contends that fellowship with the divine nature (theois physis) depends on the Holy Spirit, who is necessarily consubstantial (homoousios) with the Father and Son."

I think it may be hopefully integrated in the article which has non concerns about the being for partecipation as St thomas Aquinas called the human life while living the life of God through his soul and body.Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 10:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

What's a "Paschal Table"?

This term is used throughout the document. It might be helpful to define, given it is an obscure term.

-added wikilink to Date of Easter. Manannan67 (talk) 06:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Lede Image

@Howardcorn33:, please discuss here the change you want to make to the lede image. Personally, I don't think the image should be changed, for several reasons

1. Although it was not in the caption before, the icon does have a clear provenance. It's from the Monastery of Rousanou in Meteora, and was painted in the late 16th century (source)
2. It's not low quality at all. I didn't notice the CMYK ink until you mentioned it. Other than that, it's much more colourful, expressive and shows more of his attributes than the statue you want to put. If you have a problem with that image, you can reverse image search it and get a version without the CMYK ink, remove the CMYK ink by editing (which I could also try to do), or choose another icon of St Cyril to use from here (although that would be a shame since the Rousanou icon is so beautiful).
3. On Wikipedia, Orthodox saints almost always have icons as their lede image, and ancient icons are preferred to modern ones. For example, see John Chrysostom, Basil of Caesarea, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus. Western saints tend to have paintings instead (see Jerome and Augustine of Hippo). For the sake of consistency, it's better to follow what's already standard practice on Wikipedia.

Also, did you mean to also revert the correction I made to St Cyril's title? "Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria" is objectively more correct than "Bishop of Alexandria".💖平沢唯を愛してる💖 (talk) 08:23, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Here are my responses:

1. Good. Portraits should always be dated lest readers mistakenly assume them to be contemporary.
2. It is low quality. The CMYK ink is clearly visible even at thumbnail size. I also don't see how it is more expressive.
3. The saints provided in the example actually don't follow a consistent image pattern. All of the saints mentioned are venerated in both the Orthodox and Catholic churches. I've spent some time compiling a table of all the mentioned saints:

Saint	Lived in	Location of image origin	Born	Dating of lead image	Canonized by	Medium
John Chrysostom	Constantinople	Constantinople	4th cent.	Late 10th cent.	Catholic, Orthodox, inter alia.	Orthodox mosaic
Basil of Caesarea	Kayseri	Kyiv	4th. cent.	11th cent.	Catholic, Orthodox, i.a.	Orthodox mosaic
Gregory of Nyssa	Nyssa	Constantinople	4th cent.	14th cent.	Catholic, Orthodox, i.a.	Orthodox painting
Gregory of Nazianzus	Constantinople	Constantinople	4th cent.	14th cent.	Catholic, Orthodox, i.a.	Orthodox fresco
Jerome	Rome	Italy(?)	4th cent.	17th cent.	Catholic, Orthodox, i.a.	Dutch Golden age painting
Augustine of Hippo	Hippo Regius	Paris	4th cent.	17th cent.	Catholic, Orthodox, i.a.	French Baroque painting

Proposed image: Fresco in the Chora , 14th cent.

In my opinion, none of these images can truly be considered "ancient": all of them are closer to our time than they are to when the people actually lived, except for that of John Chrysostom. Another note: the images of Basil, Gregory, Augustine, and maybe Jerome are not local to where they actually lived. The Rousanou portrait, dating to the 16th century in Romania, is actually Renaissance period, so it can hardly be considered ancient nor local to where Cyril lived. Considering all of this, I propose that the image in the Chora be used since: (1) Cyril actually did go to Constantinople as a part of the Synod of the Oak, (2) its ancient than the Rousanou icon (at the very least not contemporary with the Renaissance), (3) The Chora has a way more extensive Wikipedia article than the Rousanou monastery, (4) and it has an acceptable image quality. A final note: I only intended on reverting the image, not the title. The title is ok afaik. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 11:46, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Correction: the icon of Basil is also closer to when he lived than to now. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 11:48, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree with you. I'll change the image to the Chora Church one. Thanks! 💖平沢唯を愛してる💖 (talk) 12:15, 6 March 2025 (UTC)