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Free lunch controversy

I removed the muckracking for now. See what develops. --Tom (talk) 22:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See if this is relevant in a few months. --Tom (talk) 12:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored it, although it needs a good bit of rewriting and there is a lot more to the story - Olberman didn't break it, and there is a great deal of news coverage other than Olberman. I'll get back to this as soon as I can allocate time, or of course if anyone else would like to copyedit and expand that would be great. KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please, stop the nonsense. Just because a muckracker covers this doesn't mean we give it the same attention. You should know better Killer, --Tom (talk) 20:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She was named worst person in the world by KO. Fortuhnately we don't add that to every bio everytime that scumbag opens his pie hole, why is that so hard to GET?!? --Tom (talk) 20:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keith olberman is not a scumbag, the people who are scumbags are the crowd of xenophobic southerners who vote for the GOP.

This is typical republican behaviour, we cannot deny or cover up the facts of this woman's comments just as we cannot deny evolution as republicans would wish.

(outdent) Can we please reach some/any consensus for what/if should be included before adding anything back into the article? Is that fair enough? --Tom (talk) 20:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you planning to stop edit warring and screaming curse words? KillerChihuahua^?!? 21:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delayed response, I had to run, real life. Yes, I am calmer now, and I do admitt that this type of "material" pisses me off to no end, so I will try to tone it down. I still would like an answer to my question above about whether we add criticism from talking heads to every bio and what makes it notable and worthy of inclusion, especially on such a thin bio as this? Anyways, I would certainly be open to compromise but would be very opposed to the "worst person in the world" business. I can try to craft something about this hub bub over the next few days but still think it violates undue weight since this bio is so thin. --Tom (talk) 13:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see below, my suggested edit takes that out. I think the original person who added this did so in good faith; I think its a bit unbalanced, takes up too much of the article, and focuses on Olberman more than the entire situation. I also think its gotten national attention and has resulted in a serious call for her to step down or be removed from the committee she is vp of, so it is a notable event in her political career. I think the correct approach is to include it, but copyedit it, and to flesh out and expand the rest of the article, so this doesn't eat up such a large percentage of the article. Oh, and you may wish to voice your opinion regarding language here, "who gives a shit" is certainly bad language in some lexicons. I dont think there is ever a reason to block simply for "bad language" as some are saying now, however. KillerChihuahua^?!? 13:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, you would include mention of KO's criticism? If so, why is he notable or worthy of inclusion? As far as swearing goes, I really have no comment. Of over 15K edits, I have sweared/sworn(?) on less than 10 I would guess and it wasn't really directed at anybody, but more of a question/ me being pissed(can I say pissed?). Anyways, I will try to craft something before I leave for Holiday on Friday, cheers! --Tom (talk) 14:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it worth including, yes. He's a notable journalist, his show is nationwide, highly rated and well watched. I would not include simply because he said something, but I also see no rationale for excluding because you don't like him. He is identified; its not as though we're presenting his views as "fact". I would not exclude a bit from O'Reilly because some editor didn't like him, either. You see the issue? You are allowing your personal bias to affect this. KillerChihuahua^?!? 14:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) highly rated and well watched? You kidding, right? Again, KO is a hate monger, we don't include every criticism he or BO and his ilk make to every bio they mention do we? No. KO was very critical of the President last night in regards to gays, should we include that on the President's page? Of course not. You are right in that I am biased against person's pushing their agenda's into bios which would be the case here by including KO non notable criticism. --Tom (talk) 15:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, highly rated, large viewing audience. Check the neilson ratings. Please re-read my post where I state " I would not include simply because he said something, but I also see no rationale for excluding because you don't like him." and cease the straw-man argument regarding "include every criticism" made by him or BO (who the heck are you talking about?). focus on this article or recuse yourself, seriously. Also, the place to label Olberman a "hate monger" is his article, not here. Stop talking about him, your dislike is fully documented and noted now. KillerChihuahua^?!? 15:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think its appropriate to discuss the subject of the person making the criticism here and their notability and bias. Also, its not a straw man argument to question whether we include every criticism from talking heads in bios. --Tom (talk) 16:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Straw man to make that statement, tho, as no one has remotely suggested that we do so! KillerChihuahua^?!? 16:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But that seems to be the case here. Anyways, lets see what you/we/I/everybodyelse can craft to cover this. --Tom (talk) 16:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am confused: [1]? 69.138.243.26 (talk) 07:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from article

(after ec) had started copyediting and trying to add some context, but TaT is blind reverting. The story is not Olberman; ; the story is the controversy. I'm trying to improve this, which is noteworthy, to be away from a "worst person" and to an NPOV mention of a highly visible controversy. KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moved para:

In June of 2009, remarks made by Davis in her newsletter received local criticism in a St. Louis newspaper's editoral^[1] which led to national attention. Davis was harshly criticized on Countdown with Keith Olbermann for comments she made suggesting that government-funded lunch programs for underprivileged children should be discontinued during summer months. She claimed that because "hunger is a powerful motivating tool," government lunch programs denied students hunger as a motivating factor for achievement. ^[2] House Minority Floor Leader Paul LeVota requested Davis be removed as chairwoman of the Children and Families Committee. ^[3] Davis has responded by stating her comments were taken out of context.^[4]

I suggest rephrasing the sentence which currently begins "On June 24 and 26..." to "Davis was harshly criticized on Countdown with Keith Olbermann for comments she made suggesting that government-funded lunch programs for underprivileged children should be discontinued during summer months." KillerChihuahua^?!? 21:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

making edit, as no objections have been raised. KillerChihuahua^?!? 16:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

references

^ "Editorial Board" (2009-06-15). "Oblivious to the needs of Missouri's hungry children". The Platform. Retrieved 2009-06-30.
^ "Olbermann, Dems pile on criticism of Cynthia Davis". St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Retrieved 2009-06-27.
^ "Democrats call for Cynthia Davis' removal as committee chair; Olbermann jabs state rep again". Kansas City Star. Retrieved 2009-06-27.
^ Davis, Cynthia (2009-06-24). "Missouri Rep. Cynthia Davis offers rebuttal". Retrieved 2009-06-30.

Is this person even notable?

I thought this lady was a US rep? Do we "give" bios to every state represenitive? ps, she was mentioned again on countdown and also Colbert(sp) not that that should make her notable but, --Tom (talk) 13:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just read Category:Members of the Missouri House of Representatives, so I guess they do get bios. Asked and answered :) --Tom (talk) 13:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you watch these shows if you are so dyametrically opposed to there content, hate them do much, and get so angry with what they say? 69.138.243.26 (talk) 06:52, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conservatives are stupid morons that's why.

Colbert Report

The Colbert Report was delete from the main article.

The colbert report stated that if Missourians see Cynthia L. Davis with food anywhere, they should take it away from her. LOL.

"Hunger can be a positive motivator". Exactly how will children ever learn to push a button with their snouts to get a food pellet...Its like Jesus said in Matthew, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was hungry and you said "get a job" So represenative Davis is truly looking out for Missouri's children, but who is looking out for represenative Davis? Could it be she has never risen above the state legislature because she developed the anti-motivating habit of eating? We must help her folks, people of Misouri, if you see represenative Davis at a restaraunt, or at a hot dog stand, or even through the window of her own dining room, do the right thing, and take her food away.[2]

I also found this strange mediawiki Colbert site.[3] 69.138.243.26 (talk) 06:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Colbert is a comedian. This is not remotely suitable for this article. KillerChihuahua^?!?Advice 01:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to talk, contacted contributor

I moved the following to talk:

Fire Up! Missouri<ref>{{cite news|url=http://http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/cynthia-davis-outraged-healthy-food-poor-children-suggests-they-get-jobs-mcdonalds</ref>

It doesn't seem to carry the weight of the other papers listed. 69.138.243.26 (talk) 06:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was the first site to report this leading to KO and Colbert and other newspaper site . They say so in there site.8xh256 (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Precisely. They broke the story; the national attention would not have occurred had they not published. KillerChihuahua^?!?Advice 01:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Current articles on food lunch controversy

Current articles on food lunch controversy.[4] 69.138.243.26 (talk) 06:44, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Newspaper articles links, deleted, now restored

Restored:

Hungry kids make better Americans? That's hard to swallow, Los Angeles Times, which compares hunger statement to California school districts refusing to serve free breakfast to their students – even though the money was already available.
Beatty, Nick L. (June 29, 2009) Hunger wrong way to motivate children, News-Leader (Springfield, Missouri)

69.138.243.26 (talk) 05:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Editorial Board" (2009-06-15). "Oblivious to the needs of Missouri's hungry children". The Platform. Retrieved 2009-06-30.

[2] "Olbermann, Dems pile on criticism of Cynthia Davis". St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Retrieved 2009-06-27.

[3] "Democrats call for Cynthia Davis' removal as committee chair; Olbermann jabs state rep again". Kansas City Star. Retrieved 2009-06-27.

[4] Davis, Cynthia (2009-06-24). "Missouri Rep. Cynthia Davis offers rebuttal". Retrieved 2009-06-30.

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