Talk:Cycling in Turkey

A fact from Cycling in Turkey appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 February 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Kangal can be a hazard to cyclists in Turkey?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Kangal can gall cyclists in Turkey? Source: https://theradavist.com/one-last-trip-through-kangal-country-on-turkeys-elmali-plateau/
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Created by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]

@Chidgk1: Your intended link for word 'Kangal' may be different? because in the article it seems to be different. Bookku (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops fixed thanksChidgk1 (talk) 15:31, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1: I'm not excessively fond of the article's choppy sections. Especially the history section — what does it mean by Bikes were important to women in Turkey.? Important because they were trendy? Good investment? Peer pressure? Needs clarifications. BorgQueen (talk) 15:10, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have clarified as much as I can but I only have access to the abstract in the cite. Combined some short sections. Thanks for comments. Hope you can do a complete review. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not to be too picky for DYK, but likewise it feels as if things are missing with some of the sentences here: "The Ottomans cycled." (all Ottomans did?) "There is not much data." (about what?) "Cycling in Turkey is sometimes done for health reasons." (I feel that tends to be a motivation for cyclists everywhere? Also, it's not done for other reasons?) --GGT (talk) 01:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have expanded a little but as there are no GA or FA class "Cycling in X" articles to copy from I am not sure yet what to write in the first sentence - if anyone has a good idea please suggest Chidgk1 (talk) 13:59, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like another reviewer to take a look. BorgQueen (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Doing... I'd be glad to take on this review further. Allow me a few days to go through the article and review it. ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:58, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Bikes were important to women in Turkey as they helped the feminist movement towards the end of the Ottoman Empire Doesn't make sense to me. Could you please add a little about how the bikes have helped the feminist movement then? Bikes being important to women does not by default mean it helps feminist movement. Women may or may not support the movement. ─ The Aafī (talk) 09:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I only have access to the abstract and it says "Fatma Aliye Topuz’s struggle for liberation was aided by the bicycle, a vehicle that became for her and for many other women across the Ottoman Middle East, a path of personal and social transformation. Bicycles were an important part of the emerging feminist movement in the region. Bicycles elicited curiosity and a desire by many to participate." so I changed the sentence to try and better summarize that. If you have a better summary feel free to change it. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chidgk1, Cool, looks helpful. I added some citation tags. Can we make it a combined article? I am really not fond of short and shorter sections?. At the least, Policy and Manufacturing can be combined. Where is the hook in the article? There is a mention of Kangal but I feel it should be expanded over like how they are problematic. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:50, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TheAafi Made some changes - if need more let me know or change yourself whichever easiest for you. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chidgk1, I'm not happy with the article lede and I'm not getting into my mind what fits best here? The hook doesn't look hooky to me either. Could you place help rephrasing the lede? Can it be something like, "The cycling infrastructure is subject to improvements in Turkey, where cycling is done for health reasons as well". What else is cycling done for there besides health. It is just "sometime", where do more times go? ─ The Aafī (talk) 12:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that the first round the world by bike cycled in Turkey.

Have changed first sentence to what I consider the most important point. If you like something like ALT1 I will refine and cite it Chidgk1 (talk) 16:12, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chidgk1, the lede seems fine now. However alt1 doesn't work. The best would be paraphphrasing alt0, and that's something like as I suggest below. Not everyone knows what is a "Kangal". ─ The Aafī (talk) 05:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0a ... that Kangal shepherd dogs can gall cyclists in Turkey? Source: https://theradavist.com/one-last-trip-through-kangal-country-on-turkeys-elmali-plateau/
ALT2 ... that cycling has helped the feminist movement grow in Turkey?

ALT2 I would need to ponder and tweak so can we go with ALT0a? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:39, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All of the DYK checks pass. Article size is fine and the article was new enough at the time of nomination. I approve Alt0a as the most interesting and hooky hook. It is referenced in the article and in-line cited. This is good to go. The article has been improved to the best condition imo. ─ The Aafī (talk) 11:15, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]