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MOS:IRELEV says usually, less is more. IMHO, this article is already cluttered with images. Another problem is arbitrary selection of pictures. Of course, we have to use editorial judgement, but we also have to avoid WP:OR. Avoiding arbitrary selection is the main reason behind WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES. That's why I don't think we should have a gallery of German authors unless we can base our selection of authors on some good source, e.g. a widely esteemed history of German literature.

Regarding Einstein: We cannot unambiguously say "he is of Germany".
Regarding Neuschwanstein: Having this picture on top right is against what is normal in articles. Also: Why select Neuschwanstein as the apex of German culture ? That's for tourists who think that Germany is a kind of Disneyland.

Rsk6400 (talk) 07:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Einstein had German parents, was born in the German empire, raised thee and spend most of his professional life in Berlin. he is a celebrated German scientist and of Germany.

lead in with no pictures is right. overall you have 17 parts, where 12 have one lead in image or even none, totally normal for a culture of article of a country. fixed the gallery problem. BauhausFan89 (talk) 16:58, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BauhausFan89: Regarding Einstein: You are clearly edit warring ([1], [2], and [3]). I suggest you self-revert. Regarding the rest: Sorry, I didn't understand you. Rsk6400 (talk) 13:40, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

who is in favor of Einstein in science as the most famous German scientists?

who is in favor of Einstein in science as the most famous German scientists? BauhausFan89 (talk) 15:28, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

so if its 1:1 I will post a double picture with Einstein and Gutenberg, taking the same place as before. one inventor, one scientist. toally fitting. BauhausFan89 (talk) 07:07, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I pointed you to some WP guidelines for the case that there is no consensus. Please remember that edit warring may result in a block (not by me, but by an administrator). Rsk6400 (talk) 14:19, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

so what is your point about not including the most famous German scientist in the section science? and my edit is as good as your reverse. so it could end up being about adding more information about a topic or not, which is basic wiki guideline to have a full picture of said field or information. so I say me wanting to add him is totally resonable. BauhausFan89 (talk) 11:47, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

who is in favor for the inclusion of cultural trends coming at least partially from Germany in the area "overview"?

who is in favor for the inclusion of cultural trends coming at least partially from Germany in the area "overview"? BauhausFan89 (talk) 15:29, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What do you want to say ? Rsk6400 (talk) 09:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Im saying, for everyone who wants to clear to understand, that this enumeration "Germany has been the center for various important phenomena such as the Migration Period, the Carolingian Empire, Holy Roman Empire, the Medieval renaissances, Scholasticism, the Hanseatic League, the German Renaissance, the Printing Revolution, Protestant reformation, Prussia, Romanticism, Marxism, Kaiserreich, Weimar, National Socialism and Social market economy." is fitting for the intro of the article cause it counts cultural phenomena. BauhausFan89 (talk) 07:00, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Prussia, Migration Period, Holy Roman Empire are "cultural phenomena" ? Germany as the "center for" the Migration Period and Scholasticism ? Are you serious ? Rsk6400 (talk) 10:04, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

yes? and the Germanic people are from nothern Germany and southern Denmark, so yes? but I will work on an intro line, which will be nice and short. ;) BauhausFan89 (talk) 07:07, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

BauhausFan89, I don't see any support for your claim that German culture originated with Germanic tribes anywhere in the Britannica article you gave as a reference. The selection of "currents" that shaped the German culture is surely an improvement, but it still seems to be an arbitrary selection, i.e. WP:OR not based on any reliable source. Also it has little to do with the body of the article which the lead is supposed to summarize. Rsk6400 (talk) 10:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

found the links. the lead shows roots of the German culture discussed in the article as a starting point. same on the Italian, French and English ones. BauhausFan89 (talk) 21:52, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BauhausFan89: Edit warring is edit warring independent of the number of reverts you do, see WP:3RR: any user may report edit warring with or without 3RR being breached. I still don't see where Britannica supports your claim. We are talking about Beethoven and Gutenberg - are their achievements really based in Germanic cultures ?. For the list starting with "migration period": Of course, you can find sources (albeit some are not reliable) for every single item of your list, it's the selection that is arbitrary. Rsk6400 (talk) 07:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

what is that for a random couple of examples? and even here you can say they both spoke German, which is a Germanic language. look: it is fact that the people making up Germany since the middle ages have many ancestors among the Germanic peoples. their language was and is a Germanic one. christmas rites are rooted in Germanic folkore, German fairy tales. German culture has roots in the Germanic people and culture and its the start of a historic process which many examples I picked a few from. its not arbitary. those ones were massive events in German history. all I want is one line to set up a history for German culture. thats not too much to ask, looking at other wiki articles about other cultures. BauhausFan89 (talk) 13:43, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the reliable sources to support your selection of "currents" ? Not the "currents" themselves, but the selection. I fear you don't understand the basic concepts of Wikipedia, WP:OR and WP:RS. Rsk6400 (talk) 17:03, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]