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Move

Propose move this article to "Armenian Culture" as to include culture not only in Armenia country but all Armenians nation's culture. Any objections? Steelmate (talk) 05:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Karabakh carpet from Shusha

Artsah is a historical region. The carpet is from Karabakh. At least in 1813 it was called so. And the town is called Shusha but not Shushi (See the article). So I've changed the sentence Armenian "vishapagorg" (dragon-carpet) style Artsakh carpet from Shushi, 1813 to Armenian "vishapagorg" (dragon-carpet) style Karabakh carpet from Shusha, 1813. --Quantum666 (talk) 05:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

The source of the image File:Karabakh-carpet-malibayli-1813.jpg is here [1]. It tells about Azerbaijani Malibayli carpet from Shusha (1813) but not about "Artsakh carpet from Shushi (1813)". Since Hakobyan's book is about Medieval Art of Artsakh and the carpet is dated 1813 we need to check whether the book contains such image. --Quantum666 (talk) 10:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

moved from User talk:75.51.166.247

Hello. Please read what I have written here. 1813 cannot be medieval. So if you have the book please provide the quotation about the carpet.--Quantum666 (talk) 18:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

The description of this carpet is on the page, the info thats from the book of that source. Read that part about Carpet, where it says the types and styles of Armenian carpets: different types including artsvagorgs and vishapagorgs (dragon-carpet styles), <-- which is this picture here in the Culture page. The book describes these type of carpets, that are not just from the medieval times but 1813 and on ward. 75.51.166.247 (talk) 19:23, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

OK. I understood the issue about medieval carpet but there are three problems that must be resolved.
  1. Since the carpet is mentioned in Hakobyan's book we must write "According to Hakobyan". We could leave the text without such wording if we had another sources (better neutral) about this carpet
  2. As I have understood you have the book and you could provide the quotation. So I don't understand removing quotation request.
  3. You replace Shusha with Shushi but according to WP:PLACE we should use the names which are used in article titles. Since the article's title is Shusha your edit seems to be incorrect. --Quantum666 (talk) 06:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Vishapagorg-style carpets are recognised as being Armenian in origin in all specialist works on carpets. However, I have never seen the term "Artsakh carpet" used. There isn't any need to resort to works of propaganda produced by one side or another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.143.19 (talk) 00:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
The problem is not about the style. I am talking about the carpet on the image. --Quantum666 (talk) 05:35, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Request for a third opinion

I am responding to a request made at WP:3O for an opinion on the issue noted above. I don't think I have had any interactions with the two editors involved and have not edited this article before, so am sufficiently neutral to comment. However, this issue resolves around the Armenian/Azerbijan dispute, and the sources seem to be mainly non-English, which is difficult for me! To get the ball rolling I would ask the IP editor to provide the quote requested, and ask if anyone has any other sources or if there's a different carpet image that could be used to illustrate this section? Finally, is there a more appropriate place to ask for assistance with issues in this area, editors experienced with the language, etc? Thanks, Bigger digger (talk) 16:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

In fact, this search shows there are plenty of alternative images. Can someone pick a more neutral one? Bigger digger (talk) 16:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
It's a good idea to replace the image. Although all these images do not refer to academic third-party sources I agree to use one of them to illustrate the article. I think we should choose the one that is not originating from occupied territories of Azerbaijan thus preventing possible disputes between Armenian and Azerbaijani users in the future. --Quantum666 (talk) 09:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Can you identify a suitable one? Afraid I know practically zero about Armenia and Azerbijan, but given how this conversation dried up I suggest you boldly change the image to a less contentious one and we'll see if anyone takes issue with it. Bigger digger (talk) 12:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I have to agree with the suggestion by Bigger digger to replace the picture with another one. There are many other carpet pictures. Neftchi (talk) 00:08, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

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According to my observation, all the words in this article seems to be copied from the book Armenia Country Study Guide Volume 1 Strategic Information and Developments. Please kindly help verify. --Carrotkit (talk) 06:09, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Carpets

  • Karabakh-carpet-malibayli-1813 A Karabakh carpet of Malibayli sub-group. Malibayli village of Shusha, 1813. Source: IRS-Nasledie journal no 2-3(14-15), Moscow 2005, p. 97.

There is Azerbaijani carpet ″Malibayli″, which wove ethnic Azerbaijanis. Hakobyan. ″Medieval Art of Artsakh″ is a travel guide and samizdat, ie non-core and unreliable source. Look for reputable sources.
P.19 [2]. Add the article something less controversial and conflicting. Zeit23 (talk) 14:32, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

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