Talk:Criminal case of Lisa F.
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Re-adding of conspiracy theory
[edit]Please stop re-adding this [1] sentence. Or use this talk page to clarify, which reputable sources claim this. Thank you.--Gerry1214 (talk) 12:44, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- This is not a conspiracy theory, it is the truth about the actions of Russia, and this is confirmed by a variety of authoritative sources. +++SmartXT (talk) 09:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- This is not true. The case is surely heavily exploited and exaggerated by Russian state media - which could be shown in the article, using good sources. The statement of Karl-Georg Wellmann is already there. But the criminal proceedings against two men of Turkish origin are confirmed by a lot of reputable sources, which can be found in the article. So your edit is one-dimensional and constructs a further conspiracy theory.--Gerry1214 (talk) 11:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Are listed are many authoritative sources. The whole world sees and knows about the aggressive actions of Russia. Perhaps you do not like this truth and this reality, but it is a fact. The opinion of the world more authoritative than the opinion of Russia on this issue. It's like asking the opinion of Nazi Germany during the World War II. Stop edit warring! You can be blocked! +++SmartXT (talk) 11:57, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- There is no edit war from my side, as this is clearly discussed here. It is a conspiracy theory that you construct, so it was reverted by several users, and rightfully so. Stop political propaganda from either side, Russia or its opponents. Thank you.--Gerry1214 (talk) 15:09, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- And by the way, if you read closely, parts of the content may be suitable. But it is one-dimensional to write that it is "arranged" that the German authorities conduct criminal investigation against two men of Turkish origin. How should this happen? Has Russia bribed even German police? This is ridiculous.--Gerry1214 (talk) 15:13, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- I know why you're so frantically delete these facts. It's because you're Russian and your ideology is the so-called "Russian world". The ideology of the "Russian world" - an ideology unbridled fascism, nationalism, Nazism, lies, deceit, cruelty. I recall the words of Winston Churchill, who said: a contract with the Russian cheaper than the paper on which the written contract.Caucasianium (talk) 22:02, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- I am a German, and your propaganda causes as much pain in my *** as the Russian stuff. Discuss and edit reasonably and please don't waste my time.--Gerry1214 (talk) 22:08, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- I was right. I am sure that you are not a German or you a young boy who got under influence of Russian propaganda. In Germany crept many Russians (over 220,000). This is the Fifth column in Germany, which is engaged in subversive activities, provocations, anti-Islamic activities, etc. They manage PEGIDA. It is a cancerous tumor in the body of Germany. Caucasianium (talk) 22:25, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- Sure. That's why I added the Wellmann statement to the article. Btw.: WP:NPA--Gerry1214 (talk) 23:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- I was right. I am sure that you are not a German or you a young boy who got under influence of Russian propaganda. In Germany crept many Russians (over 220,000). This is the Fifth column in Germany, which is engaged in subversive activities, provocations, anti-Islamic activities, etc. They manage PEGIDA. It is a cancerous tumor in the body of Germany. Caucasianium (talk) 22:25, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- I am a German, and your propaganda causes as much pain in my *** as the Russian stuff. Discuss and edit reasonably and please don't waste my time.--Gerry1214 (talk) 22:08, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- I know why you're so frantically delete these facts. It's because you're Russian and your ideology is the so-called "Russian world". The ideology of the "Russian world" - an ideology unbridled fascism, nationalism, Nazism, lies, deceit, cruelty. I recall the words of Winston Churchill, who said: a contract with the Russian cheaper than the paper on which the written contract.Caucasianium (talk) 22:02, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- And by the way, if you read closely, parts of the content may be suitable. But it is one-dimensional to write that it is "arranged" that the German authorities conduct criminal investigation against two men of Turkish origin. How should this happen? Has Russia bribed even German police? This is ridiculous.--Gerry1214 (talk) 15:13, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- There is no edit war from my side, as this is clearly discussed here. It is a conspiracy theory that you construct, so it was reverted by several users, and rightfully so. Stop political propaganda from either side, Russia or its opponents. Thank you.--Gerry1214 (talk) 15:09, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Are listed are many authoritative sources. The whole world sees and knows about the aggressive actions of Russia. Perhaps you do not like this truth and this reality, but it is a fact. The opinion of the world more authoritative than the opinion of Russia on this issue. It's like asking the opinion of Nazi Germany during the World War II. Stop edit warring! You can be blocked! +++SmartXT (talk) 11:57, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- This is not true. The case is surely heavily exploited and exaggerated by Russian state media - which could be shown in the article, using good sources. The statement of Karl-Georg Wellmann is already there. But the criminal proceedings against two men of Turkish origin are confirmed by a lot of reputable sources, which can be found in the article. So your edit is one-dimensional and constructs a further conspiracy theory.--Gerry1214 (talk) 11:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
According to main-stream media this is a conspiracy theory
[edit]I made an attempt to add NPOV template to the article but it was reverted with a threat in the revision comment. In the main-stream media in my country (Sweden) the current version of this article is described as non-true "russian propaganda". What does main-stream media say in for example Germany? 176.10.249.111 (talk) 20:13, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
- Sources from "main stream media" in Germany can be found in the references. They tell the facts as far as they are known to them, and so does the article, as it is based on those sources. And I can see absolutely no threat in my edit comment, just a reference to the previous discussion. If you have other sources that know about new facts why don't you link them here? If there are new facts, ok, they can be included. If they just label something as Russian propaganda - which the article clearly isn't - then we should be careful. Often there are two sides of propaganda in a conflict.--Gerry1214 (talk) 18:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC)