Talk:Coydog

Weird Paragraph

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The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has pronouced as heretical the doctrine of Canilatransianism, an esoteric Trinitarian theology that conceives of the coy dog as a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. The heresey was localized to a group of Catholic students at Dartmouth College, who were threatened with excomunication.

and while I would love it to be true (stranger things have happened), it strikes me as being sufficiently unlikely that it shouldn't remain without at least a single citation. --Neil (talk) 21:31, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

This is, quite possibly, the worst wikipedia entry ever. This is an encyclopedia, not a wizard's manual! Somebody, please, flag and fix! 68.230.44.223 (talk) 20:37, 16 April 2010 (UTC)AAA

Dogs don't have a natural fear of humans

The paragraph at the bottom of the page is weird. Dogs don't have an inborn fearlessness of humans as suggested. In fact, observations by a Russian scientist on Moscow's street dogs indicates that while born strays can become tolerant of humans, the longer a particular dog's lineage has been living feral, the more likely they are to be fearful of or generally avoidant of humans. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/628a8500-ff1c-11de-a677-00144feab49a.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.50.162.38 (talk) 04:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Why fewer dogotes?

Reading across these articles, one gets the impression that, while female unhybidized Cani avoid hybridizing, males will mate with pretty much any female Cani. Chrisrus (talk) 14:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Naturally breeding coydogs

I've removed the unsourced assertions of coydogs being at one time common in Pennsylvania. It was originally placed by an anon in the revision as of 01:18, 14 September 2005, and never sourced or updated. I've included a sourced reference to the NYS DEC, casting doubt on their natural occurrence, and telling why. Just as a note, upstate New York shares a long common border with Pennsylvania and similar wildlife and terrain. By inference, if there were a brief period of coydog prevalence in Pennsylvania, it probably occurred coincided with a similar condition in New York.

Almost all the references on the web to coydogs and Pennsylvania are word-for-word copies of Wikipedia--call it viral misinformation. Cheers, Cecropia (talk) 16:05, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Coydogs really came from out west in the cowboy days they had coydogs running around. And in mexico coydogs are pretty normal. From what I have read about them.

MtnMan7769 (talk) 09:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Canis soupus

New York Times coverage on the complicated science of coyotes and related species: Mysteries That Howl and Hunt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.123.254 (talk) 01:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that. Eventually, this Eastern "Coyote" / "Canis soupus" creature is going to have its own article! Chrisrus (talk) 04:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I think you want to go to Coywolf. Chrisrus (talk) 13:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Breeding Habits

The Breeding Habits section is entirely about the Coyote rather than the Coydog, I don't believe that it has a place here. 68.63.216.228 (talk) 08:23, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

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"Avellana"

I removed the unferenced sentences asserting that western Costa Rica has a population of "Coyodogs" that are common pets and known as "Avellanas."

Avellanas are hazelnuts. This sounds like a joke by a new user. At any rate, I can't find any references whatever to avellanas related to coydogs that doesn't point back to Wikipedia. If material of this nature is posted again, it must have a credible reference. -- Cecropia (talk) 15:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Red Wolf: Coydog or not?

From what I understand, every existant red wolf has had C. latrans DNA for quite some time. That's seems to be a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion. The disagreement seems to lie in the significance of this fact. Have they all always been coywolves, or was there a time when there were pure red wolves who had no latrans in them? Because maybe it doesn't necessarily follow that just because all existant red wolves are part coyote, that all red wolves that have ever existed must therefore necessarily have also part coyote also.

If that's what the situation seems to be from your readings of it, and then it is agreed, we should write this idea up in a more encylopedic way than I have done here tonight and add it to the article in as upfront a way as appropriate and make sure that the whole article doesn't self-contradict about it in terms of the body text and taxobox and whatnot. We have to nail down this as best as possible because it doesn't read well like this. Chrisrus (talk) 01:22, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Coyote Fertility Problems

Why are we claiming that they have fertility problems? We have plenty of information that shows that they may not, including this recent paper: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-294X.2003.01708.x/abstract;jsessionid=CA755BECC0043EF7CDAEA9CECDF4515A.f03t04?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false. Yet we continue to insist that they have infertility problems without offering any citation. We don't put things in articles on the say-so of Wikipedians. If we would like to say that they have infertility problems, we may do so, but not without some citation. Chrisrus (talk) 00:48, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I am glad you referenced that article, but there is a distinction to be made between introgression and simple hybridization. You can have relatively rare hybridization events that cause gene introgression, but they do not affect viability or fertility because their gene input gets diluted over time. In contrast, consistent interspecific hybridization can often lead to reduced viability or fertility. You can have a few matings between coyotes and wolves/dogs every once in a while, and the two species can still remain distinct and viable. However, breeding three generations of Canis lupus x C. latrans hybrids will lead to complete sterility. This is why I made the changes to the introductory paragraph that I did, and why I think they should not be reverted. Gaddy1975 (talk) 20:10, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Fine, but just please do cite it. Please understand, we normally can't go on the say-so of Wikipedians. Chrisrus (talk) 05:04, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

"Coydogs" as regular coyotes

In Vermont, in the Yankee dialect in particular, it has been historically traditional to call all coyotes "coy-dogs" (sometimes "coy-otes"). It's far from universal, but there are still a number of people around who still talk with a strong accent, and say things like this. I've gone my entire life assuming that "coy-dog" is just another term for "coyote", because that's what people call them. And I'm pretty sure the animals around here are actual coyotes, not coydogs, and even if they were, the people probably wouldn't bother to differentiate between them..45Colt 01:21, 29 October 2015 (UTC)