Talk:Corrie family

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Hugh de Corrie, son of Robert de Courcy, born at Nuneham Courtenay in 1097, was with his brother Philip de Corrie, "in the service of King David I 'The Saint' of Scotland, during this period he married the daughter of a Briton noble and settled in Dumfriesshire, Scotland; in the lands of CORRIE granted to him by King David I. Because of the General Council held in Forfar in 1061 during the reign of King Malcolm III 'Canmore' - at which the King had directed the nobility of Scotland "after the manner of other nations" to adopt surnames from their territorial possessions; Hugh took the surname 'CORRIE' (from his lands) as his official surname."

Robert de Courcy, born at Nuneham Courtenay in 1070, was son of Richard de Courcy

Richard de Courcy, who fought with William of Normandy at the Battle of Hastings, was the grandson of Baldric the Teuton. He was granted (amongst other grants) land at Nuneham Courtenay

Baldric the Teuton was born c 969, at Courcy, Ardennes, Champagne, France. This reference claims he was the son of 'Wigelius de Courcie', the son of 'Charles', the son of 'Charles, Duke of Lorraine', the son of 'Charles III, King of France. Um !

The last line above is dubious, but the other information appears in a number of sources. Apuldram (talk) 00:08, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Courcy stuff just doesn't look reliable to me. It's just looks like internet genealogy to me. What are the other sources you mention? We should only use published sources, and try to weed out the bad ones if we can. For example, the 19th century 'Peerage' books made the Currie baronets out as definite descendants of a cadet of the Corries of that Ilk, and even had them descending from the 'Piers' of the Battle of Largs. But I don't think the latest 'Burke's Peerage' actually does this anymore. They seem to only take the family back to the early 1600s, and they don't specifically connect it the main Corrie family - just to the area where the "a branch" settled. I'm not sure if the "Piers de Curry" is still made out as a member of the Corrie family. Someone needs to see the following paper -> GWS Barrow, "The Army of Alexander III's Scotland', in Reid, Scotland in the reign of Alexander III, 1249-1286. That's the paper that Forte, Oram, and Pedersen cite when they mention the Stewart vassal "Piers de Curry" from Ayrshire.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 06:05, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's a book on Google Books called De Courcy: Anglo-Normans in Ireland, England and France in the eleventh and twelfth centuries, published by Four Courts Press in 2008. Four Courts Press is an Irish academic publisher [1]. There is no mention of the names Currie/Corrie, or the words "Dumfriesshire" or "Annandale" in the book. I can't find anything linking the Courcys and Corries on Google Books or Google Scholar. If a Courcy had a grant of the lands of Corrie from David I that ought to be known. G.W.S. Barrow has a book on Google Books called The charters of King David I: the written acts of David I King of Scots, 1124-53 and of his son Henry Earl of Northumberland, 1139-52, published in 1999. The words "Currie", "Corrie", "Curry", "Corry". "Courci, and "Courcy" don't appear in any searches of it. Here's a blurb about the book "This edition, the first for over ninety years, brings together all the known surviving official documents (charters, letters, administrative commands and so on) issued in his own name, and those of his only son Henry, effectively joint ruler with his father from c.1135 to his death in 1152". This makes me think the Courcy angle is unreliable.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]