Talk:Cordial

Medical properties belief in U.K. and Australia

"In the United Kingdom and Australia, cordial...is said to have some medical properties for stomach problems". This is the first I've heard of this! Perhaps the author of this article might like to state where in Australia/U.K. such a belief is held; it is certainly not common in Western Australia where I'm from. One aspect of cordial folklore the author might also like to include is the belief that cordial - especially red - can cause hyperactivity in kids. This is a belief that is alive and well amongst Australian parenting circles, although I believe the theory has been disproven - some research may need to be done in order to include this. - Neenish_Tart 3:33, 29 January 2006 (AWST)

I agree, having lived in New South Wales (Eastern Australia) all my life I have never heard anyone proclaiming cordial to have health benefits, but I've certainly heard the rumours of hyperactivity. In fact, not only have I never heard of any health benefits, several more health conscious people have pointed out that giving kids an entirely artificial drink full of sugar is a health detriment Bungeh 04:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cottees and Golden Circle

I (in the UK) have never heard of either of these. I assume these are well-known in a particular country, but not worldwide. 217.155.116.125 12:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What belongs here.

There is disagreement about the interpretation of WP:DABNOT. With claims as WP:DABNOT Do not include terms that are not ambiguous with the page title, particularly not terms that are only partial title matches. and You seem not to understand the guidelines. If someone could refer to something just as "cordial", it belongs here regardless what the article title is. If someone would not refer to it just as "cordial" it does not belong, even if it has the word "cordial" in its name it is time for a wider discussion.

In my opinion, based on the idea that disambiguations are here to assist our readers, the following additions are valid:

Elderflower cordial, a non-alcoholic beverage
Lime Cordiale, a pop-rock duo from Sydney, Australia

And also in my opinion, the following additions are not valid based on the interpretation mentioned above:

Liqueur, an alcoholic beverage
Squash (drink), a non-alcoholic fruit drink concentrate sometimes known as cordial
Agreeable, a personality trait also known as "cordiality"

Opinions please. The Banner talk 08:49, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For now I have removed this discussion from Wikipedia:Third opinion#Active disagreements. I think we need to wait for all parties in the dispute to discuss (hopefully reaching a consensus locally) before calling for a third opinion. If there's still disagreement after a thorough discussion here then it can always be relisted. Mgp28 (talk) 12:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I start to look like an edit-war was brewing. But likely I was too quick. The Banner talk 12:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The question to ask in evaluating entries on a dab page is whether someone could plausibly refer to the thing by the ambiguous term alone. Would someone refer to the Lime Cordiale band just as "Cordial"? If not, then it does not belong here. Liqueuer and cordial are synonyms on the other hand. The substance some people call "cordial" is covered in the article Liqueur, therefore the article belongs here. Similarly the drink "squash" is called "cordial" in some parts of the world.

Elderflower cordial is a slightly different case. Someone could refer to that just as "cordial", so I'm open to argument on that one. It feels wrong listing specific flavours of cordial on a dab page.

"Agreeable" is ambiguous because "cordial" is a synonym. Think of a cordial greeting. --Srleffler (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it is typical for Ireland, but when I sell my elderflower cordial, nearly everyone orders cordial. According to your reasoning around squash, that makes it valid. The Banner talk 18:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I accept that argument. I added it back.--Srleffler (talk) 17:23, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't planning to participate here, but just to mention that replacing Squash (drink) with Cordial (drink) would be consistent with MOS:DABREDIR and would, I believe, be consistent with both of your positions above. Mgp28 (talk) 17:25, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We could do that, but we don't have to. There is no need for dab entries to start with the title of the dab page, and it's better if they do not. Our goal is to give the reader what they need to figure out which article covers the topic they are looking for. Every term on the page should be a synonym for "cordial", so we could make every entry start with "cordial" through redirects. That is worse than useless. The reader already knows every entry is "cordial", because if it weren't it wouldn't be here.--Srleffler (talk) 17:23, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]