Talk:Computational chemistry/GA1

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Reviewer: Esculenta (talk · contribs) 00:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quickfailing this article because it is a far ways from meeting Good Article criteria 2b and 2c. Essentially, every statement needs a source so that it can be verified. Looking at the article, there are dozens of sentences ending paragraphs without citations, and there also many paragraphs that are completely uncited. It would take longer than the week or so timeframe of a GA to find sources for all of these statements. Esculenta (talk) 00:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

We are currently in the process of editing our page. Please be patient as we add more citations sources (which will be done by this coming Wednesday) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erdabravest2001 (talk • contribs) 01:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there ,

I hope this message finds you well. I would like to share some updates regarding our recent editorial revisions, guided by the valuable insights from Ian, our Senior Educational Expert.

Upon review, Ian advised that references should be positioned at the end of a paragraph when multiple sentences draw from the same citation. We realized that our previous format, which placed the citation after the first relevant sentence, was not optimal. This oversight led to instances where only a single sentence in a paragraph was cited, which was not our intention.

To enhance the readability and professional appearance of the document, we have now adjusted the citations to follow punctuation marks, ensuring a more streamlined and coherent format. Additionally, we have updated the section headers to adopt sentence case, moving away from the previous numbered format. This change aligns with standard editorial practices and improves the overall structure of the document.

Furthermore, we have addressed the specific issue with the section titled "Algorithm: Investigate the…" by removing the colon from the heading. This alteration brings the section titles in line with our revised formatting standards.

These revisions have been an enlightening process for our team, significantly enhancing our understanding of effective and professional document formatting. We are committed to continuous improvement and appreciate the guidance provided by Ian and yourself. Please continue to review the computational chemistry page. Erdabravest2001 (talk) 02:58, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lol! I think you and your team are going have a rough time on Wikipedia if you continue to use ChatGPT to interface with other humans. This review has been already been closed, and despite your admirably quick efforts to tack on citations to the unsourced bits (there's still more left uncited BTW), the article is still far from meeting the GA standards, and will take lots of line-by-line editing work, evaluation, and comparison to the original sources for text-source verification. If you're serious about this, read Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable and apply liberally throughout the article. Esculenta (talk) 03:16, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

Fortunately, I do not use ChatGPT when writing my emails, as it frustrates me. Could you please specify the sections with unsourced citations that were mentioned earlier? This info would be greatly helpful for ensuring accuracy and completeness in our work. Erdabravest2001 (talk) 03:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Start of section "Applications", and section "Methods#Chemical dynamics". Esculenta (talk) 03:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

Understood. My team and I will endeavor to incorporate additional citations. Also could you clarify where we could simplify or try to better explain the technical language/jargon? This would also help us as well. Erdabravest2001 (talk) 03:42, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Try reading the entire article, from top to bottom, as if you had the background knowledge of a bright high school student. Read the paragraph that starts with this sentence: "The simplest type of ab initio electronic structure calculation is the Hartree–Fock method (HF), an extension of molecular orbital theory, in which the correlated electron-electron repulsion is not specifically taken into account; only its average effect is included in the calculation." Then follows more bleeding-edge quantum mechanical theory. Why do I say that? The publication it's cited to is dated 2024 (isn't it still 2023?), and as I struggle to understand the abstract for this publication (I'm not a complete idiot, I've taken advanced uni chem. courses and intro comp. sci.), I'm wondering why it's even being used as a source for a Wikipedia article, which is supposed to be a layman-friendly introduction to the field, understandable by the hypothetical bright high school student. The entire article's not quite as bad as that specific example I pointed out, but it really needs a top-to-bottom check in this manner. Is there not a recently published, general purpose textbook on computational chemistry that could be used as a main reference? Esculenta (talk) 03:58, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

I agree that our content should be easily understood by an informed high school student. Currently, I am fine-tuning my approach to balance detailed coverage with succinctness. I'm committed to identifying the appropriate level of detail for different situations. While my background in writing for a newspaper has equipped me with skills in clear communication, I am continually developing my ability to maintain neutrality and prevent any perceived bias.

I would also like to offer my apologies regarding the source in question. It appears legitimate, but there is a chance it might be a pre-print, necessitating further verification.

Another comment that I want to address:

"The simplest type of ab initio electronic structure calculation is the Hartree–Fock method (HF), an extension of molecular orbital theory, in which the correlated electron-electron repulsion is not specifically taken into account; only its average effect is included in the calculation." Then follows more bleeding-edge quantum mechanical theory.

Although my team and I were not directly responsible for writing this specific section of the methods, we acknowledge the need for revision. We plan to revise this paragraph soon and will work on simplifying the language in the coming days.

Additionally, I'd like to inquire about the adherence to Wikipedia's guidelines concerning source diversity, particularly regarding the predominant use of a single textbook. Is this practice in line with Wikipedia's standards? Erdabravest2001 (talk) 04:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Check out WP:PST to see what Wikipedia's standards are for sourcing. Ok, I've had enough of talking to GPT, good luck with your assignment. Esculenta (talk) 04:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

Thank you for your help and support. Have a good evening. Erdabravest2001 (talk) 04:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]