Talk:Como la Flor/GA1

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

This article is quite large, so it will take at least two days to review; one was due since it's been in the queue for three months! --K. Peake 07:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Change the recorded parameter to studio and set the name as AMEN per Template:Infobox song, piping to Manny Guerra

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• Pipe EMI Latin to Capitol Latin in the infobox

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• Replace hlist with bullet points per Template:Infobox song

•  Done

• "and was first released as part of her third studio album" → "for her third studio album,"

•  Done

• ""Como la Flor" is an" → "It is an" and this should be the sentence before the female protagonist one

•  Done

• The release sentence should come directly after the completion one

•  Done

• Pipe EMI Latin to Capitol Latin

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• "It was written by" → "The song was written by"

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• ""Como la Flor" was conceptualized in" → "It was conceptualized in"

•  Done

• Pipe infectious melody to Earworm

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• "and it took Astudillo" → "and Astudillo took" to avoid overusage of it

•  Done

• "to love again but" → "to love again, but"

•  Done

• The awards should be the two sentences directly after critical reception instead

•  Done

• "It peaked at number six" → "The song peaked at number six"

•  Done

• Remove president of EMI Latin introduction from the lead, also change to José Behar with the wikilink

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• ""Como la Flor" peaked at number three on Mexico's Grupera Songs chart, her" → "the song peaked at number three on Mexico's Grupera Songs chart, becoming her"

•  Done

• ""Como la Flor" won" → "the song won"

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• ""Como la Flor" was often" → "the song was often"

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• "She mournfully sings" → "She mournfully sang"

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• Pipe dramatic pause to Comic timing

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• I think the third sentence describing the performance is too much detail for the lead, so remove it

•  Done

• ""Como la Flor" was the closing number" → "The song was the closing number"

•  Done

• "in Bryan, Texas, on" → "in Bryan on" per this place already having been introduced as in Texas

•  Done

• ""Como la Flor" has been" → "It has been"

•  Done

• The dominance sentence is not notable for the lead

•  Done

• "Rolling Stone magazine named" → "In 2018, Rolling Stone named" with the wikilink

•  Done

• Make sure you are mentioning notable cover artists in the lead, also change to Ángela Aguilar with the wikilink

• There has been a lot, but I've only mentioned those that have charted or have been reviewed with critical commentary by Billboard magazine

• I meant only notable with this comment --K. Peake 11:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

• "of "Como la Flor" were dramatized" → "of it were dramatized"

• I changed it to recording, I don't think it sounded right if I said "of it".

• The body does not directly mention Christian Serratos as the actor for the series; same with the biography being by Joe Nick Patoski and attribution by Ilan Stevens

•  Done

• "the popularity of "Como la Flor". scholar" → "the popularity of the song. Scholar"

•  Done

• ""Como la Flor" 9x Platinum," → "it 9x Platinum (Latin) in the US." removing the units from the lead

•  Done

• ""Como la Flor" currently" → "The song currently"

•  Done

• Wikilink as lip syncing per WP:PIPE

•  Done

Background and inspiration

• "It took ten years" → "It took 10 years" per MOS:NUM

•  Done

• There should not be a comma after Abraham Quintanilla and "promote his children's band" is grammatically; please add proper context

•  Done

• "He promised himself" → "A.B. promised himself"

•  Done

• Wikilink as Houston instead

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• "began working on it[7][8] along" → "began working on it,[7][8] along"

•  Done

• "ten-year-old song idea but" → "10-year-old song idea, though"

•  Done

• "his own personal experiences for the song but he felt" this should have a comma if but is kept, though I am confused why it is used when real life experiences are his own personal ones?

• I believe he meant that people would resonate with the song with experiences they most likely had themselves, instead of coming up with fanatical ideas and storylines that the majority of those have not experienced.

• "A.B. and Astudillo decided" → "He and Astudillo decided"

•  Done

• "Someone Like You" → "Someone like You", with the pipe

•  Done

• Are you sure starting the para with it is appropriate, or should this be reworded?

•  Done

• "said; "homegirl just" → "said: "Homegirl just"

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• "to the mall"." → "to the mall.'""

•  Done

• "A.B corrected the tune" → "He corrected the tune"

•  Done

• "that helped him write" → "to help himself write"

•  Done

• "is "what sells."" → "is "what sells"." per MOS:QUOTE

•  Done

• Remove wikilink on AMEN Studios per that leading to the aforementioned person

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Music and lyrics

• "emotional delivery which helped conveyed" → "emotional delivery, which helped convey" on the audio sample text

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• ""Como la Flor" is primarily a" → "Musically, "Como la Flor" is primarily a"

•  Done

• Wikilink as polka instead

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• "La Carcacha" is not mentioned by the source

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• ""Como la Flor" is written in" → "It is written in"

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• Pipe key to Key (music)

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• Wikilink tempo

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• Remove wikilink on beats per minute and add a comma after

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• "a "lively tempo",[25] and a danceable," → "a "lively tempo",[25] a danceable,"

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• "and melancholic;[28] He called" → "and melancholic;[28] he called"

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• "ballad"[29] while Parédez referred" → "ballad",[29] while Parédez referred"

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• "of Texas Music Magazine, called it a" → "of Texas Music Magazine called the song a"

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• Pipe call-and-response to Call and response

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• "this beakup painful." → "the breakup painful."

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• "all of her the love," → "all of her love,"

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• "a hopeless romantic who" → "a hopeless romantic, who"

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• "and devotion" they provide" → "and devotion" that they provide"

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• "the lyrics "aching"[28] while" → "the lyrics "aching",[28] while"

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• Pipe Chelo Silva to Consuelo Silva

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• "a relationship, "being the bigger" → "a relationship, being "the bigger"

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• "said "Como la Flor" is" → "said the song is"

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• "could not match Selena's" → "could not match her"

•  Done

• Remove German broadcaster introduction to Deutsche Welle

•  Done

Commercial performance

• ""Como la Flor" rose to" → "The song rose to"
• "ending August 1," → "ending August 1, 1992,"
• "to number 23 then" → "to number 23, then"
• "ending September 5." → "ending September 5, 1992."
• "chart on September 19," → "chart a week later,"
• "The following week "Colo la Flor" reached number eight," → "The following week, "Colo la Flor" reached number eight on the chart,"
• "ending October 24." → "ending October 24, 1992."
• "calling it her first" → "noting her first"
• Other paras soon

• I have trimmed the chart performance. Thanks for your review, I look forward to the rest of it. Best – jona ✉ 13:35, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

• The rest will follow below --K. Peake 11:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

• Pipe EMI Latin to Capitol Latin

•  Done

• There is too much info on Selena's appearance in Mexico here for it to maintain focus; only keep the sentences from the third to the seventh, the rest all belongs only in live performances and mention in the number five sentence that it was following her performance to 70,000 in Nuevo Leon

•  Done

• Pipe Monterrey, Mexico to Monterrey

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• "were Mexican entertainment jouranlist," → "were Mexican entertainment journalists,"

•  Done

• "of the United States." → "of the US." per MOS:US

•  Done

• "and Mazz who toured" → "and Mazz who toured"

• Removed

• "on radio stations in Mexico in" → "on Mexican radio stations in"

•  Done

• "it became her first" → "while becoming her first"

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• "Its popularity helped" → "The song's popularity helped"

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• ""breakthrough hit recording"; she became popular with" → ""breakthrough hit" recording, creating her popularity with"

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• Awards and a critic quote are used here, so shouldn't the section be retitled reception and place these as the first para instead since they are not commercial?

•  Done

• "for the Pura Vida Hispanic Award's Song of the Year" → "for Song of the Year at the 1993 Pura Vida Hispanic Awards"

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• Add a comma before "but lost to"

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• "of "Como la Flor" to" → "of the song to"

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• Pipe Regional Mexican Songs to Regional Mexican Airplay and add Billboard before it

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• "in the United States," → "in the US,"

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• Pipe Regional Mexican Digital Song Sales to Digital Songs

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• Pipe streamed to Streaming media

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• "which denotes 540,000 units consisting of sales and on-demand streaming." → "denoting 540,000 units consisting of sales and on-demand streaming in the US."

•  Done

Live performances and other versions

• "before the song transitions" → "before the song transitioned"

•  Done

• "is reminiscent of" → "was described as reminiscent of"

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• "Her vocals were" → "Selena's vocals were"

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• Pipe dramatic pauses to Comic timing

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• "this together" before her" → "this together", before her"

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• "When song transitions into an upbeat cumbia," → "When the song transitioned into an upbeat cumbia,"

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• Wikilink as drag queens

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• Shouldn't you use the plural of set list?

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• Pipe Houston Astrodome to Astrodome

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• "this performance of "Como la Flor" provided" → "it provided"

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• Any sentences using direct quotes should have the appropriate ref(s) invoked at the end

• All sources are attributed, they can be found at their nearest citation. I've been trying to avoid WP:REPCITE and not WP:OVERKILL the article by citing each and every sentence, especially when it is from the same source and page.

• "performed in Bryan, Texas, where" → "performed in Bryan, where" per this place already having been introduced

•  Done

• Why is Burr re-introduced here, or is that a different one from the Billboard writer? I have just noticed this name popping up in previously reviewed sections now so the point also holds for the journalist mentioned in comp?

• He has written material for several periodicals that I have used as a source for this article.

• "a "prime cut" finding it" → "a "prime cut", finding it"

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• "with energy" and saying it represents a" → "with energy", and seeing a"

•  Done

• Pipe Regional Mexican music to Regional styles of Mexican music

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• Jennifer Pena → Jennifer Peña with the wikilink

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• The musicals should have commas after their bracketed years

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• The list of performers for Selena ¡VIVE! before the group and band reads like a supermarket list so cut down how many are mentioned by name, adding an overview for their roles at the start then writing, including...

• I just removed the laundry list.

• "Kumbia Kings and Selena's" → "Kumbia Kings, and Selena's"

• Removed

• A lot of these from William Hung onwards need more info to meet WP:SONGCOVER or will have to be removed; simply covering a song for a TV show does not make the cover notable

•  Done

• If American Idol is kept, then link this separately to eighteenth season

• Removed

• From the source, the Jackie Cruz cover could probably have more info added to make it notable; the same applies to some others if you take a look further

•  Done

• The ones from Elia Esperanza onwards already pass the guideline!
• "on the eleventh season of The Voice, debuted" → "on the eleventh season of The Voice debuted" with the pipe

•  Done

• "at number twelve." → "at number 12." per MOS:NUM

•  Done

• "thanking Esperanza for" → "with Levine thanking her for" to be specific

•  Done

• Billboard should be italicised in the names of any Latin music awards

•  Done

• "in the 1997 biopic." → "in the biopic."

•  Done

• The Kabs Family → the Kabs Family per MOS:THEMUSIC

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• "Billboard magazine called" → "The staff of Billboard magazine described"

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Legacy and impact

• The dramatization being cited among the highlights is not sourced

• Yes it does

• "said, "Como la Flor" was" → "said that "Como la Flor" was"

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• "When he met with" → "When A. B. met with" but none of this sentence is sourced

• It is sourced to cite 129

• "and told Billboard;" → "and told Billboard that"

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• "and her most popular" → "as well as her most popular"

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• ""Como la Flor" has enjoyed" → "The song has enjoyed"

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• "and Selena's dominance of the Latin music charts in the 1990s is credited to it." → "and has been credited for Selena's dominance of the Latin charts."

•  Done

• Pipe Santa Ana Orange County Register to Orange County Register

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• "saying; "by the" → "saying that "by the"

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• "According to Jessica Roiz of Billboard magazine," → "According to Roiz,"

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• "Selena said "Como la Flor" was her" → "The singer said "Como la Flor" was her"

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• "and the Latin-pop music" → "and Latin pop music" with the wikilink

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• Wikilink accordion

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• Pipe hip-hop to Hip hop music

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• Wikilink funk to itself

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• Pipe African American music to African-American music

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• Remove wikilink on Latin pop

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• "of Selena's best work, ." → "of Selena's best work."

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• "in the United States" → "in the US" per MOS:US

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• "Christian Wallace of Texas Monthly said the song" → "Wallace said the song"

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• Pipe quinceaneras to Quinceañera

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• "released Selena, which stars Jennifer Lopez in" → "released Selena, which stars Lopez in"

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• "singing the final line and dramatically pauses" → "singing the final line, and dramatically pauses"

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• "spell" before the song" → "spell", before the song"

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• Where is the scene listed in the top eight by Billboard?

• Cite 127 (now Cite 120)

• "Los Angeles Times included" → "the Los Angeles Times included" but the song is not mentioned by the source

• Removed

• "said "Como la Flor" is" → "said it is"

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• MAC cosmetics → MAC Cosmetics with the wikilink

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• "(2019) which is inspired by" → "(2019), which was inspired by"

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• Remove wikilink on streaming video

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• Christian Serratos' involvement is not sourced

•  Done

• Wikilink as lip-syncing

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• Wikilink Rolling Stone to itself

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Credits and personnel

• Good

Charts

• Retitle to Charts and certifications

•  Done

Weekly charts

• Split the different years into separate tables, because otherwise trying to sort the peak positions for the first one reorders all

•  Done

• Monitor Latino should not be italicised

•  Done

• Wikilink EFE to itself

•  Done

Year-end charts

• Good
• Monitor Latino should not be italicised

•  Done

Certifications

• Good

Notes

• Good

References

• Good

Works cited

• Pipe RIAA.com to Recording Industry Association of America

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• Pipe Billboard to Billboard (magazine) on the first instance

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• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with musicnotes.com and Oprah Daily citations

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• Wikilink Austin American Statesman and Newspapers.com on the first instance

•  Done

• Wikilink El Siglo de Torreón on the first instance

•  Done

• Pipe El Informador to El Informador (Mexico) on the first instance

•  Done

• Pipe La Prensa to La Prensa (Mexico City)

•  Done

• Pipe Santa Ana County Register to Orange Country Register

•  Done

• Wikilink Fort Worth Star-Telegram

•  Done

• Wikilink Monitor Latino on the first instance

•  Done

• Wikilink San Antonio Express-News on the first instance

•  Done

• Dallas Moring News → The Dallas Morning News with the wikilink

•  Done

• What makes Semana News a reliable source and if so, fix MOS:QWQ issues

• Removed

• Wikilink Palgrave Macmillan

•  Done

• Newsbank → NewsBank, wikilinking on the first instance

•  Done

• Billboard books → Billboard Books with the wikilink per MOS:LINK2SECT

•  Done

• Wikilink Corpus Christi Caller-Times on the first instance

•  Done

• Wikilink YouTube on the first instance

•  Done

• Pipe Seguin Gazette Enterprise to Seguin Gazette

•  Done

• Pipe Twenty-First Century Books to Learner Publishing Group

•  Done

• Wikilink Dallas Observer

•  Done

• Wikilink Rolling Stone

•  Done

• Wikilink BuzzFeed News

•  Done

• The James E. Garcia citation is not formatted correctly

•  Done

• Wikilink Los Angeles Times

• Removed

• Wikilink Houston Chronicle on the first instance

•  Done

• Add Houston Chronicle to the "The stories behind Selena's legacy and biggest hits" citation

•  Done

• Wikilink Guinness World Records

•  Done

• The Atlanta Journal - Constitution → The Atlanta Journal-Constitution with the wikilink

•  Done

• Pipe El Norte to El Norte (Monterrey)

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• Pipe People Weekly to People (magazine)

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• Pipe Knight Ridder-Tribune to Tribune Content Agency

•  Done

• Remove or replace Reporter Magazine per WP:RSSM

• Removed

• Wikilink Radio & Records

•  Done

• Pipe Brownsville Herald to The Brownsville Herald

•  Done

• Pipe Lerner Publications Co to Lerner Publishing Group

•  Done

• Wikilink The Washington Post

•  Done

• Remove wikilink on Penguin Books on the second citation

•  Done

• Remove wikilink on ProQuest for Kevin EG Perry citation and fix MOS:QWQ issues

• The wikilink is from the template.

• Pipe EMI Latin Productions to Capitol Latin

•  Done

• Remove wikilink on EMI Latin for liner notes citation

•  Done

• Wikilink USA Today

•  Done

• Wikilink Oxford University Press

•  Done

• Wikilink The Fresno Bee

•  Done

• Pipe DW.com to Deutsche Welle

•  Done

• Wikilink The New York Times and author-link Elijah Wald

•  Done

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; nice job on such an expansive article and this took about as long as I expected! --K. Peake 11:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks for your review. I have fixed all issues. Best – jona ✉ 18:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

• AJona1992 Nice job and I have two points to make; it is fine to mention Burr as being from a different publication but only use his surname after the first mention and for quotes, the sources should be invoked after any sentences that use them directly. --K. Peake 07:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

• I have fixed the remaining issues. Thanks – jona ✉ 14:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

• ✓ Pass now, fab work and I'm sorry that it took me a couple of days to check this review page again, I have been quite busy. --K. Peake 07:55, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.