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Outdated list. Someone please complete it with the help of the mobygames reference. Bragador 00:22, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Vivendi redirect

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I agree that the Coktel page is currently too short and lacks sources (still three links and a whole line of notable titles is enough for a sub). I'm currently adding information on the subject, so please don't redirect it again, at least without discussing it first. The company is notable to have its own page, both as a developer and publisher of the popular French titles such as the Gobliiins and Adibou series. And even if it HAS to be redirected, it should be either Sierra On-Line where Coktel developed most of its major titles after the acquisition, or Mindscape who was its last publisher. AveTory (talk) 15:23, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AveTory, the topic is required to meet Wikipedia's guidelines, namely WP:GNG for all articles and specifically WP:NCORP for companies. I realize that this company was quite old and has published numerous titles (some of them notable), but neither is a good argument for the company's notability as notability is not inherited. I tried to find proper sourcing some time ago but couldn't find enough suitable coverage, resulting in the stub we have currently. Another user eventually decided to redirect the article, probably for the better. I can try again to find sources (maybe Retro Gamer has anything?), but if the article remains in this state for long, it will likely be taken to AfD and be redirect again. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 16:53, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, Retro Gamer has a four-page feature on this company in the issue 189. Citation:

{{cite magazine |title=From the Archives: Coktel Vision |first=David |last=Crookes |date=20 December 2018 |magazine=[[Retro Gamer]] |issue=189 |publisher=[[Future Publishing]] |pages=44–47}}

Hopefully, you can make something of it. You don't seem to have email set up with Wikipedia, is there another way I could get the pages to you? I can't link to them publicly as it would be a copyright violation. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 17:20, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Lordtobi, thank you for your comments. Can you please send the link to arialtype@live.com? I will try to make a proper article as soon as possible. Will add French sources where necessary. AveTory (talk) 17:58, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
AveTory, sent. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 18:10, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Definetly looks much better than before, thanks. I also found these news excerpts:

Baumier, Agnès (8 December 1994). "Les multiples espoirs du multimédia" [The multiple hopes of multimedia]. L'Express (in French).

"Jouer à comprendre le monde" [Play to understand the world]. Le Monde (in French). 6 October 2001.

Kahn, Annie (8 June 1997). "La success story du père d'ADI" [The success story of ADI's father]. Le Monde (in French).

The last of these names Jean-Michel Mauger (Oskian's brother-in-law) as co-founder but also names February 1985 as founding date. Make of this what you will. I'm also trying to discern whether The Obscuritory is a reliable source; form a first glance, it doesn't seem to be one. Lordtobi (✉) 21:06, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, some sources name the founding date as 1985 and list Oskian, his wife, Jean-Michel Mauger and Manuelle Mauger as co-founders. But I decided to rely on Retro Gamer's information - they contacted Oskian and the rest after all and probably clarified the information. As for The Obscurity, it seems like a private gaming blog, but the link contains an exclusive interview with Tramis, and in my text I only quoted her, not the blogger. AveTory (talk) 22:42, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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