Talk:Coat of arms of Lebanon

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Tree color

The Flag of Lebanon article says the tree should be all in green. The current image does not reflect this property. --Abdull 16:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

lebanons flag and coat of arms

lebanon's coat of arms and flag are one of the world's most spectacular view's comming from head of the falling students list at James K. Polk middle school.

           lebanon's flag should be posted at every kiosk in the world thats how cool it is

and the same for the coat of arms and should be posted on every comercial on the history channel and the discovery channel every day as i said now that would be so cool.

                                                    THANK YOU

head of the falling students at James K. Polk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.75.59.6 (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Correction

Correct the emblem with the transparent, high quality version https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Flag_of_Lebanon_%28tree%29.png 109.233.20.2 (talk) 13:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Correction 2

Use this instead https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Arms_of_Lebanon.svg/2020px-Arms_of_Lebanon.svg.png 109.233.20.2 (talk) 13:39, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms

Although the coat of arms of Lebanon is not clearly officially documented, however the coat of arms is clearly visible on the Seal of the President of Lebanon (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Seal_of_the_President_of_Lebanon.png). A similar situation for example in Russia and the US, where sometimes the coat of arms is expressed without the escutcheon. A.h. king • Talk to me! 22:05, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@A.h. king: that supposed coat of arms isn't even remotely similar to tis one. Even the tree doesn't match. Getting out a coat of arms from that presidential seal is simply speculation. Beshogur (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I still can't believe people still trying to enforce the false emblem with a random 1973 source and with the presidential website that uses completely different emblem with a small emblem that's supposed to be similar to the one on the infobox, while the tree doesn't even match. Even if that was correct, it doesn't say anywhere "that certain part of the presidential emblem = emblem of Lebanon". Beshogur (talk) 23:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That was an honest mistake - I legitimately thought that source described it as such as I'm not proficient in Arabic. I agree that the current sourcing veers into OR but your logic that the tree is different is incorrect: by that logic, Sodacan's depiction of the Coat of arms of the United Kingdom that we have on here versus other ones are different since the lions and shield shape similarly "don't match". I wouldn't be opposed to deleting it given that there doesn't seem to be enough RSes to cover it but your assertion that this is some sort of fictional creation (that just happens to appear on all the embassies and multiple governmental departments) is plainly incorrect. This is why I voted the way I did in the AfD; I didn't realise how hard it would be to find better sourcing for it at the time. ― novov (t c) 09:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mir Novov: I mean, thanks for contributions but I think we should rename the page to Emblems of Lebanon, since there is no such definite emblem of the country, the page is now full with bunch of emblems. Thoughts? Beshogur (talk) 22:16, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to this, I believe I suggested something similar in the AfD. ― novov (t c) 23:20, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Wkpdsrnm2023: you haven't provided any valid source yet you're edit warring claiming these are coat of arms of Lebanon. Beshogur (talk) 06:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not. You are confused and should read again what was written. I don't care about the coat of arms dispute and am arguing for the cedar tree to be used as the symbol as it is obviously the national symbol. You seem to be heavily biased in all of this however, spamming this page with the same thing over and over again. Perhaps, we need someone else that isn't as heavily invested in this as you are to decide. Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I'm involved with this, here's my input on the situation. The definition of a coat of arms is a symbol on an escutcheon that represents the wearer. There is no law saying that a coat of arms needs to be defined in an official setting such as a constitutional vote or something like that. However, there are many examples of this symbol being used on an escutcheon in many of the Lebanese government's official governmental symbols. Therefore, isn't it logically a coat of arms of the country? It is being used in an official capacity in many different areas of the government. I'm not sure why this is even up for debate. Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 10:33, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you actually have any source of the Lebanese government? No. You're still using the same argument over and over. Beshogur (talk) 10:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe we've had this argument, I think you're just confused. But as to your request, here are the links to the coats of arms on official Lebanese government websites or their social media:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/93339309@N06/51697596818/in/album-72157635923124794/

https://web.archive.org/web/20231011190941/http://www.presidency.gov.lb/Arabic/News/Pages/Details.aspx?nid=22911

https://www.lebarmy.gov.lb/sites/default/files/haras%20joumhoure_1.jpg Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 11:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that last link is just the image, here's the whole page:

https://www.lebarmy.gov.lb/en/content/presidential-guard-brigade Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 11:23, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is the emblem of the presidential guard, not emblem of Lebanon. Beshogur (talk) 11:52, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One link was a military symbol, correct. Another link was the symbol for the office of the president. Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 12:33, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any statement like "emblem of Lebanon present on the emblem of president". Also the cedar tree is different as well, an older variant. Beshogur (talk) 12:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ask yourself why would anything like "emblem of Lebanon present on the emblem of president" ever be there unless it was to satisfy your own personal requirements for what a coat of arms is in this conversation? The president's emblem is there, it has the escutcheon with the cedar tree, and the red stripes in a diagonal. So that makes it two different times it's used in government symbols. I would find a third one for you but Lebanese websites are terrible and I think it still wouldn't change your opinion.. Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 12:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually nevermind, here's the Lebanese embassy in Prague with the coat of arms above the door:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Lebanese_embassy_residence_Prague_3206.JPG

I'm guessing that you think all of these links and pictures aren't good enough still, is that right? Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 13:04, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're still bringing the same argument over and over. Read wp:or. Beshogur (talk) 13:18, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We've come full circle now, but at least it's documented step-by-step. Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 13:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]