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POV

The article text appears to be more about coal use (or POV misuse) than about mining

I removed this table from the article as the supplied reference does not give this statistic - it says that 85% of Australia's electricity is generated from coal:

**Major Domestic Uses of Coal**[1]
Use	Tons PA	%
Energy generation	?	85
Other	?	15

Much of the fast facts appears to be copied directly from http://www.gc3.cqu.edu.au/modern-world/index.php without change - maybe copyvio?

--Scott Davis ^Talk 09:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Climate Change

This article is about Coal mining in Australia. The article has 3 paragraphs of text, the largest being climate change. I am removing the paragraph, as it is not specific to Coal mining in Australia but coal or climate change in general. The article needs a history of coal mining in Australia, discoveries of coal, early Australian coal mining techniques etc. RP Bravo 09:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reinstating Climate Change

The greatest single issue affecting the mining of coal in Australia today is climate change and the related water shortage issue. A court decision in the NSW Land & Environment Court ruled that climate change impacts had to be considered in assessing the application for approval of the Anvil Hill Coal Mine. There is consideration of a carbon tax or cap and trade scheme fderally and in most states which may dramatically impact on demand over time. New mines even for export are clearly going to be an environmental metaphoric battlefield. The issue of climate change cannot logically be excised from an article on coal mining. dinghy 08:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You say climate change cannot logically be excised from an article on coal mining - I'm sure you feel the same about oil, petrol, energy, energy policy etc, but I'm sure there is already a climate change article. You need to think of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. If a topic has an article, the contents of that article don't need repeating in every single related article. I assert that this article is about coal mining in Australia. If there is a climate change issue that relates solely to coal mining in Australia (remember climate change is a global issue) then it belongs in the article - hence why I have left the paragraph on the environmental assessment for the Anvil Hill coal mine (despite the fact is it unreferenced). The paragraph I removed is not specifically about coal mining in Australia, even the heading it was given, Coal mining and climate change, states this. If the paragraph is justified in this article, it arguably justified in Coal, Gasoline, Fuel oil, Coal mining, Lackawanna Coal Mine, Longwall mining etc. - senseless repetition. RP Bravo 23:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reserves

Last para is contradictory, in particular last sentence it unreferenced and mathematically impossible and should be removed. "reserves to production ratios for black and brown coal in Australia are 111 years and 539 years respectively, however these figures do not account for growth in production. Growth of Black coal exports in Australia has been growing at a rate of 5% (on average of the last 20 years).[18] If this rate of growth was maintained to extinction all black coal in the country would be depleted in around 25 years, with the peak in production occurring in 2014."

Mathematically 111 years at constant production becomes 38 years if coal production is growing 5% per year. Not 25 years. Further more if " peak in production occurring in 2014" then the rate of extraction won't increase by more than 10% of current rate (indeed peak implies it will drop some what) and supplies will indeed last close to 100+ years.

Suggest this should be deleted if it can't be referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.188.154.51 (talk) 10:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mining in Australia.

This page should be added to the category Mining in Australia. 128.103.192.97 17:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)Peter Grant[reply]

Done. You could have done it yourself. --Scott Davis ^Talk 15:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CO2 does NOT cause significant climate change, howver the burning of coal can introduce polutants such as carbon, sulfur, acid rain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisarndt (talk • contribs) 08:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

C02 is by definition a pollutant, regardless of whether or not it causes climate change, and pollution is bad regardless of whether it causes climate change... mkay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.23.146 (talk) 13:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Coal phase-out section

I removed this section, and replaced it with a section refering to government clean coal technology in australia. Coal phase-out is no relevant to this article as neither of the major parties has publically raised a phase-out as policy. Referenced an article from the australian. This could possibly be split into a new article, yeah? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.111.3 (talk) 07:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Any argument to phase out coal fired power stations in Australia is also an argument to phase out electricity in Australia, and will be the case for years to come regardless of what any political party thinks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.23.146 (talk) 13:49, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Export percentage

"54% of the coal mined in Australia is exported" "Australia is the world's largest coal exporter, as it exports roughly 70% of coal production"

I don't see how both of those statements can be true. 110.142.214.120 (talk) 00:25, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. The World Coal Association claims Indonesia is now the world's largest coal exporter. We now only hold the mantle for the world's largest supplier of coking coal. - Shiftchange (talk) 09:32, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Major mines table has an incorrect sorting method

When sorting the column `Million tons mined` from largest to smallest it places 10.8, 11, 12, ..., 20, 3.5, 4. Seems to sort two digit numbers from lowest to highest tens digit then one digit numbers sorted lowest to highest ones digit. Does anyone else see this problem? How do we change sorting method to be appropriate? rigsby (talk) 13:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to use {| class="wikitable sortable" which might have adopted this strange behavior because some of the entries are words/not numbers. Might be a simple fix available by just removing unavailable data or replacing with an appropriate entry that won't trigger string sorting over (our preferred) number sorting. rigsby (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:52, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]