Talk:CloverWorks

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Departments and subsidiaries

Regarding these edits: 1, 2, 3

Department is department; subsidiary is subsidiary. These are two different words. We cannot say they've produced the in-between animations so they are subsidiaries. The fact that they are departments, not subsidiaries, cannot be changed, unless there are official announcements like what happened to A-1 and CW. Otherwise, it is original research. Unnamelessness (talk) 04:54, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arguing with the terms of "departments" and "subsidiaries" is a stupid game of semantics; it really doesn't matter. You're right, I can't just say they've produced some in-between animations and call them their own thing, but as branches of a company, they are given their own credits: A-1 Pictures Siagebu is given its own credits, instead of just saying "A-1 Pictures: Finishing/Clean-Up." Liden Films Osaka and Kyoto are branch studios that are considered subsidiaries now that they've produced their own work with their own name. I've not seen a source call them a subsidiary, and no source has actually talked about all three locations, but regardless, they're acknowledged as such. They're owned under the Liden Films name and are separate companies, and that's what a "subsidiary" is by Wikipedia definition. I suppose it is "original research", however I'm going to disagree with the presented notion that they can only be considered subsidiaries through some sort of semantic argument. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 20:58, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever the case, if they are subsidiaries, then prove it by adding reliable sources. If they have gained significant coverage, then consider splitting it as per WP:CONSPLIT. That is the normal procedure we should follow. Unnamelessness (talk) 04:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Unnamelessness: Regarding your edit here, what exactly about the company departments is OR? I fail to see your position, as matters like these are verifiable mostly through the credits to any series that are listed. Hinging such material solely on third-party publicized sourcing makes fulfilling infoboxes like this somewhat impossible. Take, for example, producers who work on the average anime television series or film: few (if any) sources exist to lay verification for those claims outside of the primary sourcing that are the works themselves; which, at that point, isn't really OR, anyway-- especially when the "existence" of such departments, or people, is at least ascertainable though things like ANN (such as here and here). Sarcataclysmal (talk) 23:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]