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Section sizes

Section size for Climate justice (26 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	9,626	9,626
Definition and objectives	2,318	2,318
Causes of injustice	26	32,407
Economic systems	3,548	3,548
Systemic causes	3,396	3,396
Disproportionality between causality and burden	12,032	12,032
Intergenerational equity	8,162	8,162
Disproportionate impacts on disadvantaged groups	5,243	5,243
Responses to improve climate justice	3,843	9,843
Common principles of justice in burden-sharing	2,007	2,007
Court cases and litigation	2,542	2,542
Human rights	1,451	1,451
Challenges	18	16,426
Societal disruption and policy support	4,859	4,859
Loss and damage discussions	1,557	1,557
Fossil-fuels dependent states	5,442	5,442
Conflicting interest-driven interpretations as barriers to agreements	3,676	3,676
Wars	874	874
History	13,826	13,826
Examples	16	11,383
Subsistence farmers in Latin America	7,133	7,133
Hurricane Katrina	3,393	3,393
Pakistan Floods (2022)	841	841
See also	228	228
References	30	30
External links	536	536
Total	96,623	96,623

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Let's improve the reading ease score

The articles still has far too many long sentences. I think long sentences are generally a no no for Wikipedia articles. There is usually always a way to break a long sentence into two without losing any of its meaning. Remember we are writing for the general public, not our peers. If you want them to read and understand we need to keep the Reading Ease Score high. Currently the score of the main text is only 26 (with this tool). The lead is slightly better with 28. I think we should at least bring it up to 35 as an aim. (I could have a go at shortening sentences but I first wanted to reach consensus regarding those textblocks that I removed, or that I proposed for removal) EMsmile (talk) 08:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@EMsmile: You won't need that agreement to deal with issues in the remainder of the text. Also, you should enumerate which sections still have unresolved debates about the removals.

I agree with the cut of the "Systemic issues" section, which was unclear and gave undue weight to a single publication.

The cut to the "Political approaches towards climate justice" and the creation of the "Objectives" section was definitely a positive move for improving neutrality, though the new section is still hard to read for reasons you just described. However, I agree with your perspective that "Objectives" does require background information about the urgent situation of the global climate. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 14:49, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Since this comment was posted, the Flesch–Kincaid reading ease score has improved to 49.1, based on your tool, but that is still insufficient. The Coleman–Liau index, which measures the U.S. grade level of the text and uses different metrics than the Flesch–Kincaid grade level, also stands at 13.8, equivalent to a first-year college student. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 15:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I don't understand what you meant with "However, I agree with your perspective that "Objectives" does require background information about the urgent situation of the global climate." Was there a "not" missing in this sentence? In any case, your comment inspired me to do a bit more work on this section. Let me know what you think. It's still a bit weak. I think it would be good to include any other definitions of "climate justice" there or any other publications that explain its objectives well. EMsmile (talk) 09:09, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've done a bit more work on improving readability by simplifying some of the long and convoluted sentences. EMsmile (talk) 14:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't think the US example fits

I've removed this recently added section as I think it doesn't fit into a high level article. It's more like a news item, see WP:NOTNEWS; it might fit in a country specific article, like climate change in the United States.

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United States

In November 2023 Biden's administration, activated a program named "The Community Change Grants" allocating 2 billion dollars for climate and environmental justice. The funds must be used by November 2024. The money should go to climate resilience and fighting air pollution in low income communities. This is the biggest spending on environmental justice so far, and it is part of the Inflation Reduction Act spendings. Republicans are against such spendings.^[1] EMsmile (talk) 22:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Volcovici, Valerie (21 November 2023). "US EPA opens $2 billion in grants to environmental justice communities". Reuters. Retrieved 29 November 2023.

EMsmile (talk) 22:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removed confusing paragraph on ‎public political support

I've removed this paragraph that was written in highly academic language; not clear how this relates to climate justice. Bits of it could go back in but it needs to be less rambling. The section heading used to be "‎Public political support" but I think it can be merged with the previous section on societal disruption.

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Citizens often form their opinions based on peer opinions, the media and according to their personal short-term interests. Endorsements of policies – which historically have often been highly suboptimal – that come from an untrusted source may lower citizens' policy support^[1] and competing political campaigns and outreach, a key mechanism of politics, as well as online misinformation^[2] may further exploit early public discontent with policies, especially when combined ubiquitously with other grave imperfections and ignorance of relevant political parties. The dilemma that links this problem to the concept of climate justice is that interests – in particular extrapolated interests based on scientific data and projections – of hypothetical yet-unborn generations are not suitably represented and considered in today's climate policy-making,^[3] which is further complicated in that the already living young generations that will suffer most from climate change receive a politically equal voice and that large shares of voters generally do not have a good quality understanding of the projected likely effects of climate change and other relevant conditions. Public support could also be decreased by decisions for large financial transfers for the purpose of achieving climate justice, making this a challenging task including in cases where this money largely comes from taxing the general population rather than more select subgroups.^[4]

References

^ Rinscheid, Adrian; Pianta, Silvia; Weber, Elke U. (October 2021). "What shapes public support for climate change mitigation policies? The role of descriptive social norms and elite cues" (PDF). Behavioural Public Policy. 5 (4): 503–527. doi:10.1017/bpp.2020.43. ISSN 2398-063X. S2CID 228915985. Archived (PDF) from the original on 19 May 2022. Retrieved 6 April 2022.
^ Treen, Kathie M. d'I; Williams, Hywel T. P.; O'Neill, Saffron J. (2020). "Online misinformation about climate change". WIREs Climate Change. 11 (5): e665. Bibcode:2020WIRCC..11E.665T. doi:10.1002/wcc.665. ISSN 1757-7799. S2CID 221879878.
^ Gonzalez-Ricoy, Inigo; Rey, Felipe (2019). "Enfranchising the future: Climate justice and the representation of future generations". WIREs Climate Change. 10 (5): e598. Bibcode:2019WIRCC..10E.598G. doi:10.1002/wcc.598. ISSN 1757-7799. S2CID 197563077. Archived from the original on 30 May 2022. Retrieved 6 April 2022.
^ Tindall, David (5 November 2021). "When will climate justice be served?". Canada's National Observer. Archived from the original on 6 November 2021. Retrieved 6 November 2021.

EMsmile (talk) 23:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Volcovici, Valerie (21 November 2023). "US EPA opens $2 billion in grants to environmental justice communities". Reuters. Retrieved 29 November 2023.

[2] Rinscheid, Adrian; Pianta, Silvia; Weber, Elke U. (October 2021). "What shapes public support for climate change mitigation policies? The role of descriptive social norms and elite cues" (PDF). Behavioural Public Policy. 5 (4): 503–527. doi:10.1017/bpp.2020.43. ISSN 2398-063X. S2CID 228915985. Archived (PDF) from the original on 19 May 2022. Retrieved 6 April 2022.

[3] Treen, Kathie M. d'I; Williams, Hywel T. P.; O'Neill, Saffron J. (2020). "Online misinformation about climate change". WIREs Climate Change. 11 (5): e665. Bibcode:2020WIRCC..11E.665T. doi:10.1002/wcc.665. ISSN 1757-7799. S2CID 221879878.

[4] Gonzalez-Ricoy, Inigo; Rey, Felipe (2019). "Enfranchising the future: Climate justice and the representation of future generations". WIREs Climate Change. 10 (5): e598. Bibcode:2019WIRCC..10E.598G. doi:10.1002/wcc.598. ISSN 1757-7799. S2CID 197563077. Archived from the original on 30 May 2022. Retrieved 6 April 2022.

[5] Tindall, David (5 November 2021). "When will climate justice be served?". Canada's National Observer. Archived from the original on 6 November 2021. Retrieved 6 November 2021.

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