Talk:Climate change in Italy

Student assignment (May 2022)

We are a group of student from Uppsala University who have created the page regarding Climate change in Italy. Before it was simply a redirect from Climate of Italy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belindapr (talk • contribs)

You've done a great job here. Some feedback:

• I like your clever use of excerpts (although in some cases I found the excerpts too long and have shortened them).
• I've also corrected the formatting of the section headings.
• I have removed external links in the main text where I found them.
• I also removed when you used Wikipedia as a reference (not allowed).
• In some cases you forgot to add references - please see my "citation needed" tags. Some of those statements are general climate change statements (not specific for Italy) so you probably don't need those but it's always good to link to the related other articles, e.g. effects of climate change on human health.
• I find you have used "we" a few times, perhaps check if you can eliminate the "we" statements.

I haven't checked through everything in detail but overall it looks very interesting! - I was surprised to read that Italy doesn't have a deforestation problem but one of too many forests (really?). Please hang around Wikipedia even after your course has finished and continue to do more editing. EMsmile (talk) 15:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for filling a gap in Wikipedia's climate change coverage by adding this major European country. Belindapr if you act quickly (within 7 days of creating the article) you can submit this for the "did you know" section on the main page Chidgk1 (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 00:48, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Italy was the first country to make education on climate change compulsory, and actively is protecting future generations with an extensive renewable energy plan? Source: 1. 'Historic' vote means Italian state must now protect animals and ecosystems". euronews.green 2. Massimo Lombardini. Italy’s Energy and Climate Policies in the Post COVID-19 Recovery. 2021. Available at: https://www.ifri.org/sites/default/files/atoms/files/memo_lombardini_italy_necp_in_an_european_context_fev_2021.pdf
  • ALT1: ... that Italy was the first country to make education on climate change compulsory?Source: ... a law which in 2020 made Italy the world's first country to make climate study compulsory in schools ...
  • Comment: New to wiki

Created by Belindapr (talk), Manongouraud (talk), and Muninnkorp (talk). Nominated by Belindapr (talk) at 18:07, 25 May 2022 (UTC).

• Not a review, but do note you must link the article in question in the hook. This has not been done at present. And bold text should only be used for the article (or rarely, articles) nominated. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
  • I've sorta taken care of the linking/bolding (without any rewording), but anyone should feel free to do it differently.  MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM  18:46, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
• Added ALT1 and struck the original; the back half of the hook just seems promotional, and i think it's better to just focus on the first part. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:49, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - No
• Neutral: - ?
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Minor copyvio issues

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - ?
• Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: This nom overall looks promising and the topic is very interesting. It just needs a little work to shape it up for the front page. Earwig is picking up some minor copyvio with this page. This should be relatively easy to fix. The article also has a lot of citation needed tags on it, which have to be resolved before the nom can be approved. Some of the claims in the lede seem like they especially need to be cited, otherwise it runs into neutrality issues. I can't find the hook fact in the refs linked, are you sure these are the right sources? BuySomeApples (talk) 21:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@BuySomeApples: I removed copyvio and cited lead and hook - as nominator @Belindapr: was student they may not respond - so if nobody fixes other cite needed shortly please let me know Chidgk1 (talk) 18:08, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@BuySomeApples: deleted uncited - anything else needed? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:47, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for adopting this nom @Chidgk1:! Now that you fixed all the sourcing issues and added a better cite for the hook, I think this one's ready. I added a second cite for the lede because I wasn't sure that the article used was explicit enough about proximity to the Mediterranean being a contributor to Italy's climate risk. I think the second source helps because it's very clear about it. BuySomeApples (talk) 22:05, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Chidgk1 and Belindapr: There is a lot of information that does not have citations. At minimum, there should be a citation at the end of each paragraph Can you ensure this is the case? Also, I was unsure if information excerpted from other articles also need to have citations at the end of them, so I asked a question about it on the DYK talk page. Z1720 (talk) 01:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Z1720: Excerpts do need to be cited. I have made sure there are now no completely uncited paragraphs. As I am probably more familiar with the subject than you it is hard for me to know what sentences a new reader might find dubious or surprising rather than so obvious as not to need citing. Perhaps you could tag bomb whatever statements you think should be cited so I can either cite or remove them. I might remove some you tag if they are general rather than country specific. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:09, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: I have added some citation needed templates already. However, since the article uses Template:Excerpt, the paragraphs are not actually in the article. Instead, they are the first paragraph of the article they are excerpting, and then pulled into the article with the template. I won't want to tag them with cn because then the cn tags would be in the lede of other articles, which might confuse editors as citations are not always needed in the lede, per MOS:CITELEDE.

I propose one of these two solutions: an editor can replace the excerpt templates with the information in the article, and cite the paragraph, or you could add the citations to the excerpted articles. For DYK, I would expect that there would be a citation at the end of each paragraph, minimum. Please let me know if you have any questions. Z1720 (talk) 12:42, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes you are right that that there should be a citation at the end of each paragraph, minimum. If you can tag what is needed in the leads of the excerpted articles I hope to add the cites in a reasonable time - so I don't think other editors will get confused - also we can add comments that they are excerpted. Er - where are the tags please? Maybe someone else already fixed them. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I have added cn tags to all of the paragraphs that do not have a citation at the end of them, including in the articles it is excerpted from. Z1720 (talk) 17:34, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks- I think I have dealt with everything now - if not please let me know Chidgk1 (talk) 18:32, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I edited the lede to removed POV language. I think the citation concerns are resolved so I'll readd the green tick, per the review above. Z1720 (talk) 22:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

As the subject is topical would it be possible for it to go in this week? Chidgk1 (talk) 05:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

• @Chidgk1 and Z1720: The text of the Reuters source is as follows:

  Fioramonti championed a law which in 2020 made Italy the world's first country to make climate study compulsory in schools, but he admits that putting it into practice in the classroom has been patchy.

  He resigned in a row over education funding shortly after the law was passed and so was unable to oversee its application, while the COVID-19 emergency left Italy's schools struggling to teach the usual curriculum, never mind introduce innovations.

  I don't see how it can fall under NPOV guidelines to omit everything after the first comma? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 12:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that the 2022 Marmolada serac collapse was caused by climate change in Italy?Source: Although some assure that the collapse of the glacier could not have been predicted, climatologists, mountain experts and glaciologists agree in blaming the tragedy on climate change. Source: They were victims of what Prime Minister Mario Draghi called “the deterioration of the environment and the climate situation.” Italy’s president, Sergio Mattarella, ...... said it was a “symbol of what climate change, if not governed, is producing around the world.”

• @Theleekycauldron and Z1720: If you are happy with ALT2 I will add it to the article otherwise I will suggest a new hook. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
• ALT3: ... climate change is on the Po?

ALT3 might amuse a Brit of my age but if you are younger or from another country maybe it makes no sense at all to you? If it made you smile I will source and add it. Chidgk1 (talk) 20:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

• @Chidgk1: I don't have too much of a problem with ALT1, since it is true, but full context should be contained in the article. Of course, I'm also happy to take a look at ALTs 2 and 3, if you'd prefer... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 11:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

• @Theleekycauldron: Yes if you could take a look at ALT2 I would prefer that thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 13:47, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
• @Theleekycauldron: I did not write ALT1 but it is also fine by me - have added more detail in the body of the article about why schools struggled to implement the law. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:07, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

• @Theleekycauldron and Z1720: Please could you use whichever hook is quickest - if you could put in in in the next few days whilst the weather is still hot I think people might take more notice of it Chidgk1 (talk) 05:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Since I've worked on this article, I don't want to promote this. Perhaps leeky will be able to. If they can't, I will hold off promoting anything until this gets into a prep set (to encourage other preppers to take a look at this). @BuySomeApples: or someone else: can you review the above hooks and let us know which are approved and which are recommended? Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 13:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
    • Yes, it would be best for BuySomeApples or another user to review – that way, I'm still able to promote. I'll be unavailable for prepping for a bit, so we're in a temporary stall until this is approved. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:33, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
      • @Z1720 and Theleekycauldron: ALT1 and ALT2 both look good for me. Although ALT1 isn't the most nuanced hook, it is very interesting. I'm not sure that ALT3 is present enough in the article, since it doesn't seem to mention the Po specifically. BuySomeApples (talk) 02:14, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
        • Added a sentence about the Po but I have gone off ALT3 as too flippant for a serious situation. Thanks for approving ALT1 and ALT2 Chidgk1 (talk) 05:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)