Talk:Cliché/Archives/2016

List of cliches

As pointed out previously in the discussions, it's difficult if not impossible to create a useful list. An extremely authoritative source for each entry is the only solution I see. --Ronz (talk) 18:54, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Where, why and why? --Spannerjam 05:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

See Talk:Cliché/Archives/2013#.27clich.C3.A9.22_and_.22truism.22

Minimally, we need to meet WP:V. Given how bad the list was, I don't think we'll come to any lasting consensus without references that are clearly encyclopedic in nature. --Ronz (talk) 16:08, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I find the list from the deleted version of the article useful:

Non-political examples“Everything happens for a reason.”“Don't judge.”“Why? Because I said so.” (Bare assertion fallacy“I’m the parent, that’s why.” (Appeal to authority“When you get to be my age you’ll find that’s not true.”“You don’t always get what you want.”“You win some, you lose some.”“Ah well, swings and roundabouts.”“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.” (Appeal to ridicule if saidsarcastically“It works in theory, but not in practice.” (Base rate fallacy“It's just common sense.”“It makes sense to me, and that's all that matters.”“To each his own.”“Life is unfair.”“Such is life.”“We already had this conversation.”“It is what it is.”“It was his time.”“Whatever.”“There you go again.”“It's not worth discussing.”“Whatever will be, will be.”“Be a man and…”“Who cares?”“It's a matter of opinion!”“You only live once.” (YOLO)“Just forget it.”“We will have to agree to disagree.”“We all have to do things we don't like.”“You are not being a 'team player'.” (Ignoratio elenchi“That's just wrong.”“You just don’t do that.”“Just do it.”“Link or it didn't happen.”“Don't be that guy.”“Because that is our policy.”“Don't be silly.”“There's no smoke without fire.” (used to convince others that a person is guilty based on accusation or hearsay and to discourage further examination of evidence)“I'm just sayin'.”“So it goes.”“Me thinks thou dost protest too much.” or “The more you argue, the less we believe you.”"Rules are rules.""Who do you think you are?"/"Who are you to...""It's all relative.""People are going to do what they want.""That's just your feelings."“Can't everybody just drop it and get along?” (used as an attempt to stop an ongoing debate or argument)"It's the way of the road."Political examples

Thought-terminating clichés are sometimes used during political discourse to enhance appeal or to shut down debate. In this setting, their usage can usually be classified as a logical fallacy.[citation needed]]]

Religious examples

Thought-terminating clichés are also present in religious discourse in order to define a clear border between good and evil, holiness and sacrilege, and other polar opposites.[citation needed] These are especially present in religious literature.[citation needed]

"The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away." Job 1:21"Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!" (opposing same-sex marriage"That's not Biblical"God moves/works in mysterious ways.""God never gives you more suffering than you can bear.”"Only God can judge.""God has a plan.""The Lord works in mysterious ways."

See: http://jorgenmodin.net/index_html/wikpedias-now-deleted-page-on-thought-terminating-cliche Zezen (talk) 23:59, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Edits to Thought-terminating cliché section

I removed the material below from the the Thought-terminating cliché section, because, number 1, it appears to be original analysis of a primary source. Number 2, it's too nonspecific and doesn't further understanding of topic anyway. It might as well only say, "There are thought-stopping clichés in Brave New World". I'm moving it here, because it's probably worthwhile to include with improved wording if it can be supported by secondary sources.

"Aldous Huxley’s novel, Brave New World, society uses thought-terminating clichés in a more conventional manner, most notably in regard to the drug soma as well as modified versions of real-life platitudes, such as "A doctor a day keeps the jim-jams away".
Reference

• Aldous Huxley (1 January 2007). Brave New World. Random House. p. 163. ISBN 978-0-09-951847-1.

It looks like Brave New World was discussed in the source we used for the example from 1984, but the google preview doesn't show those pages, so I wasn't able to verify its accuracy or expand it myself. Here's the info in case anyone else has access to the book:

• Kathleen Taylor (27 July 2006). Brainwashing: The Science of Thought Control. OUP Oxford. p. 21. ISBN 978-0-19-920478-6.

—PermStrump(talk) 01:58, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

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