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Criticism section

The existence of a Criticism section is acceptable for this article, but it constitutes more than 50% of the article. Don't use the article as a scribble board for adding yet another critic, instead try to make themes: these guys try denial: "they don't really mean what they say"/these guys denies the importance of the stmt/these guys claim those other ones are not really christians etc... Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 15:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Creationist" Discovery Institute

No wonder professors consistently tell students never to use Wikipedia as a valid source. I realize that if I try to corerct the record, someone will be here within a matter of minutes or hours to edit it back, so I won't bother editing, but it's absurd bias and dishonesty to claim the Discovery Institute is a "creationist" organization. The leading names in the organization are emphatically NOT creationists. It's an intelligent design group. You can't possibly believe in common descent and also be a creationist, so can we please stop it with this nonsense? 216.135.32.226 (talk) 19:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Intelligent design IS creationism -- specifically 'don't mention God and maybe the courts will let us teach it in public schools' Neo-creationism. This has been determined by both courts (Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District) and a number of prominent scholars (most prominently Ronald L. Numbers expanding his landmark The Creationists to include ID in its latest edition). But this particular cat is long-since out-of-the-bag, so its the DI's continued pretence that is "absurd" -- and can be ignored per WP:ABOUTSELF as "unduly self-serving". Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 05:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While the DI has funded some other projects, their fame and focus is on promoting intelligent design creationism, as is evident from their statements in the cited source. The source also showed Zimmerman countering their argument, so I've supplemented this to give due weight to showing how this creationist claim has been received. . dave souza, talk 07:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]