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Needs work to correct misconceptions

This article perpetuates from myths/misconceptions that have been debunked in Bob Gilmore's recent biography (Claude Vivier: A Composer’s Life). Vivier did not spend "some years" travelling in Japan, Bali, and Iran. Rather, he took only a single trip there, which he ended after only 5 months when he got homesick. Also, his murder was not a male prostitute but a truquer, a criminal who goes to gay bars and pretends to accept the advance of homosexuals in order to rob them. 194.136.68.66 (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

Passed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:19, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: AirshipJungleman29 (talk · contribs) 19:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, this is a superb article. I'm passing it immediately. No clue why it has languished for so long. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Congratulations! As above, a fantastic article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 15:30, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Claude Vivier was one of the first openly gay classical composers in history?~~ Source: https://id.erudit.org/iderudit/1076403ar pages 28-29.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Yerko Núñez
- Comment: I could definitely think of more hooks but my brain is kind of tired for some reason.

Improved to Good Article status by Charlieridgley (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 22:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Claude Vivier, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good! Can't read French but the source seems fine. Elli (talk | contribs) 14:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke and Elli: I'm not sure which part of the online copy of the source corresponds to pages 28–29, but the only relevant text I could find was l’un des premiers compositeurs ouvertement et fièrement homosexuels du Québec – "one of the first openly gay composers in Québec". Sojourner in the earth (talk) 12:34, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging GA editor @Charlieridgley: to make sure they are aware about the issue with the hook and claim that "one of the first in history" may be too broad. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is an excellent article, and I hate seeing it held up over this issue. Charlieridgley, who got the article up to GA, has been inactive for a couple of months. In their absence, I've been a bit bold and removed the "one of the first openly gay composers" line from the article. I think there are many alt hooks that could do this article justice. How about:

ALT1: ... that Claude Vivier was inspired to compose Shiraz after hearing two blind singers in a market?

Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:14, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Elli any thoughts on this edit and alt? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:17, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 is cited in the article and the sources check out (Gilmore 2014 says Shiraz was inspired by real-life blind singers in a market, and Hickling 2008 confirms that there were two of them). I haven't done a full re-review of the article, just approving the hook. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 07:16, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks SITE! I really messed up the pings above, so another try for @Onegreatjoke, Elli, and Cielquiparle: I think things are good to go here, but speak up if the new hook and article changes don't work for you. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:06, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To add to article

To add to this article: explanation of what a truquer is. There doesn't seem to be a definition for the noun sense of this term at Wiktionary. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:12, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]