Talk:Clan Anstruther

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Copyright violation but which way?

I was struck by the similarity to the entry on this page for the Battle of Worcester paragraph and this page: Home>>Information Centre>>About our Products>>Scottish Clans & Families>>Clan & Family Histories Anstruther on www.scotweb.co.uk A search of the edit history of this article turns up this edit from June/July

At first I thought that this let us off the hook, but when I looked at the creation of this article in 2005 it had in it an odd paragraph that starts "Andrew’s great-great-grandson" (because it does not give then man's name) as does the http://scotweb.co.uk page. But the original Wikipedia article listed http://scotweb.co.uk in the external links, so it is possible that this article has been updated from the scotweb.co.uk on more than one occasion by two or more editors, or that scotweb.co.uk have been updating their page from this one.

Some one with more experience than I have on copyright violations is going to have to look into this.. -- PBS (talk) 22:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Nice catch. This looks like reverse copying to me. I had a look for other examples, and came across Clan Borthwick, which looks at first instance to be a copy of [1]. But the give-away for me is the slow and incremental evolution of our article through the work of multiple editors. That strongly suggests the content was created here and copied over there. Clan Chisholm shows similar traits. The website doesn't appear to be a particularly reliable source for this kind of content - it's main purpose appears to be to flog tartan products. I don't see it listed in the original version of the article as an EL. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:34, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I'd agree that that particular site is reverse copying. The original does appear to be an adbridgment of the EL included in the original version, however, although I'm not sure it's enough to be a problem. VernoWhitney (talk) 23:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Mkativerata, yes it was listed in the External Links section -- it was the only link given: http://scotweb.co.ukclans/Anstruther_2/default.php (which was a broken link as it should have been http://scotweb.co.uk/clans/Anstruther_2/default.php ) If it were not for that EL I would have assumed that they copied this site. -- PBS (talk) 18:28, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I suspect that EL was actually meant to link here. It seems this "myclan" site used to have some content but now redirects to scotweb. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:55, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the detective work. Listing all the links for that page in the Internet Archive's WayBackMachine, shows that the page was first placed on the web on Feb 03, 2004. The text of the article did not change from that date until the page was deleted in 2007 (some time between May 28, 2007 and Sep 27, 2007).

Given that the page was written back in 2004 long before our page was created it is possible to do a diff between the text that was on www.myclan.com and Wikipedia's. I took the www.myclan.com text and the first substantial Wikipedia page, removed the section headings and then concatenated some of the Wikipedia paragraphs together these are the diffs between www.myclan.com and the Wikipedia Clan Anstruther page (as of an edit by Mjgm84 at 18:28, 15 July 2006). I would put that down as a summary. What do others think? -- PBS (talk) 21:06, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Copying from Wikipedia

I have added a Tag above explaining how a website is copying from this Wikipedia article.QuintusPetillius (talk) 13:35, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

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