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Unreferenced

This article is largely unreferenced. Please help by citing information sources. --Chris Griswold 00:06, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Difference from HBO

Currently, what's the defining difference/s between Time Warner's Cinemax and HBO branded channels? 220.253.63.25 13:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

San Francisco?

HBO and Cinemax playout/origination come from the HBO Communications Center in Smithtown, NY. Corporate is on Avenue of the Americas in NYC. Not sure why San Francisco would be referenced as Max's HQ.

Celliot2 00:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It's still called "cinemax"...

Why the name change to "Max" on the page? While they now use the shortened "max" logo for most on-air references, the channel is still called Cinemax, still referred to legally as such during the copyright notices run during the day, and the full logo still pops up on the channel and websites. As far as I can tell, the new logo treatment is meant to be visual shorthand for the name "Cinemax" and nothing more... —Preceding unsigned comment added by HulkieD (talkcontribs) 17:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

DO NOT MOVE

I Moved this page to Max (network) do not rename it Cinemax, it is no longer called Cinemax. It is just MAX.

STOP NAMING THIS PAGE CINEMAX. IT IS NOW CALLED MAX!!!!!!!! Cactus1549 (talk) 12:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Prove it. TomCat4680 (talk) 12:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Its just an abbreviation. Its still legally called Cinemax. TomCat4680 (talk) 12:39, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
If its just Max why do the After Dark actors say "You're watching 60 seconds only on Cinemax"? Why is it called "The Cinemax package" on all TV providers? Why is the official website still Cinemax.com? 12:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that the Max After Dark article be merged into the Max After Dark section of this article. Its just a stub article consisting of a list of shows (half of which are red links) and it isn't long enough for its own article. However, since Cinemax is most known for this programming block (it even has a separate section in their official site), I think the list of shows and movies both past and present produced for or shown on it should be kept in that section for historical and notability purposes. I also think the original Max After Dark series should have their own articles, since there is continuity and drama like regular serial shows, not just sex scenes. TomCat4680 (talk) 08:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Removal of content

RE: [1]

I don't see why the pop culture references section was deleted. It proves that Cinemax IS most known for the Max After Dark block an has therefore been mentioned in national TV shows an Hollywood films. Also, the shows were de-redlinked so there was no reason to delete them, they ARE mentioned on Max After Dark's website (referenced properly) so there they exist and are currently in production. I never said they deserved their own articles, I agree they don't. That's why I got the red out. Please reply here before removing more content to avoid an edit war. TomCat4680 (talk)

Proves how? It's all just trivial mentions. Calling that "proof" smacks of original research to me. As for the list of shows, if someone were to want to look them up, there is a link there for that. There's no reason to list stuff just for the sake of listing it, and the shows that *are* listed are notable enough to have articles for them, so that should be enough. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 17:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
A. I don't see how its trivial, its shows that Cinemax is most known for its softcore porn shows. B. the shows you listed have been canceled, so its a misnomer to say they're current. I never said build an article for them, nor did I say they deserved one. I just want the article to be factually accurate and up to date. The current shows that are now airing new episodes are Co-ed Confidential, Zane's Sex Chronicles, Sex Games Cancun and Forbidden Science, and on weekends, the movies are shown. I watch MAD often. Do you? TomCat4680 (talk) 17:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Please leave the content you question in and put up the tag that explains why you object to it so other can comment too. I want a consensus with more opinions, per content dispute policy, I don't want an edit war. Again I appreciate your co-operation. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and just deleted the line, since it really duplicated a line in the first paragraph of the section, and moved the schedule link to a more appropriate spot. As for "what the network is known for", that's already sourced with a proper citation in that section, so an unreferenced trivial mention is not called for. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 18:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I still disagree about branding it "trivia" . The in pop culture section still belongs IMO. Someone who has never watched Cinemax may want to know "Oh yeah, how so?" when they see its most known for the porn etc. You have to assume the reader knows nothing and is learning about Cinemax / Max After Dark for the first time ever. TomCat4680 (talk) 18:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
If that is the case, then a series of trivial mentions is just that: trivial. The term "skinemax" is already mentioned in the article, with a proper cited reference. It's up to you to prove that these mentions are notable - you have not done that, other than variations on WP:ILIKEIT. That's not enough. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth — that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia already has been published by a reliable source, not whether you think it is true. Right now it's original research, which doesn't cut it. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 18:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
WP:TRIVIA is an GUIDELINE and WP:ILIKEIT is a PROPOSED guideline. Neither are policies. However my information is verifiable per points a and b of notability standards (both are which ARE policies), because they are from published media works. I'm putting it back in. TomCat4680 (talk) 00:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Argue semantics all you will, but there is nothing notable about the section. You claim that it meets Wikipedia:GNG#General_notability_guideline - well, right off the bat it fails #1, significant coverage... one-line references is not "significant coverage" - had an entire story, plotline, or episode been about the subject, then maybe - but everything you added back was minor, trivial mentions. WHat's sugnificant about these mentions, other than their existence? Are we going to start listing every single one of them? Where do we stop, or draw the line? We're back to WP:ILIKEIT, which is a poor excuse for inclusion. The term "skinemax" is already mentioned in the article, with a proper cited reference. Anything more is fluff. If you want to add this material back in, I'd suggest you find ofther sources that establish that's notable enough to warrant more detail past the existence of the term, or RFC the issue - because right now, you're not convincing me, and the burden of proof is on you to prove why this should be in the article. You have not done that. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 15:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Fine I'm putting up an RfC. I'd appreciate it if you stopped commenting further for now.

Request for Comment

Please read this and the above discussion and decide whether or not it passes notability and verifiability standards. TomCat4680 (talk) 06:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

  • meets noatbility and verifiability requirements. anyone could watch those shows and see what they are talking about. Also this may help: Google news on Max after dark Ikip (talk) 15:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
  • does not meet notability and verifiablity There are no third party sources that make these one line jokes about Cinemax notable. While yes, anyone could watch these shows and agree that their content is pornographic, I fail to see what that has to do with Cinemax's pop culture reference. All the Google News articles reinforce the fact that Cinemax after dark is pornographic. Livewireo (talk) 16:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the reference to

I deleted the reference to "and recently earned reputation of being a porn channel" because that carries a biased stigma. The adult content was adequately described earlier in the article, and a true cable "porn channel" would be more suitably applied to an all-adult programming network.72.226.202.64 05:28, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

It should be noted that when Cinemax First rolled out, circa 1980 or so, it was known as "Take2" 70.156.236.228 21:44, 05 July 2006 (UTC)

History

What does this sentence mean

" Cinemax also airs half-hour adult erotica series proceeding and/or following adult films, sometimes not airing at all."

And what in the world is "Cinemax . . . has ran . . ." the summer of 1000 films. "Has ran"???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.115.117.253 (talk) 11:27, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Question about Cinemax's launch

Question: Does anyone know what the very first program broadcast on Cinemax when it launched on August 1, 1980 was, and at what time did the network formally launch? (TVtonightOKC (talk) 23:03, 28 January 2011 (UTC))

It'd probably be in the TV Guide archive (if there is such a thing). TomCat4680 (talk) 23:48, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't think TV Guide Magazine has an archive, and I seriously doubt if Cinemax was included in TV Guide or any newspaper TV listings in 1980. I have/had a couple of copies of TV Guide from October 1980, and the only cable channels listed at that point in time were regional or national superstations from that time (KSHB-TV, WTBS, KTVT, etc.) I don't think TV Guide added conventional cable channels (HBO, Nickelodeon, ESPN, etc.) until about the mid-1980s. Cinemax's program listings would probably be listed in those specialized premium cable guides or something like that. TVtonightOKC (talk) 12:50, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Didn't they used to publish satellite television guides with listings for every satellite channel? Maybe it'd be archived in one of those. TomCat4680 (talk) 23:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
There's a 1980 NY Times article about its launch on the main page but its behind a pay wall. Buy a subscription and maybe it'll tell you. TomCat4680 (talk) 00:43, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, but I don't think I want to get the information to come from an article with a pay wall. I wanted info on what the first Cinemax program largely to include in the beginning of the history section of the article... and maybe a bit *(squenches thumb and index finger together)* for plain pure curiousity. Did Cinemax have one of those print program guides like HBO did when it launched, or were its listings included in a pay TV listings guide listing multiple premium nets like CableView or something like that? (TVtonightOKC (talk) 05:49, 2 February 2011 (UTC))
I wouldn't know, I was a newborn in September 1980. TomCat4680 (talk) 05:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I just saw that someone posted on the article for The Movie Channel that its first feature when it "launched" in 1979 was Roman Holiday, maybe the person who got that info can find out what Cinemax's inaugural presentation was. If any Wikipedia user knows what Cinemax's first program is, include it on the main article's history section, on the talk page of the article or my own user talk page. I'd appreciate the help. Also @TomCat4680, I was also born after 1980, and I only know about the existence of CableView magazine because I found one in my house a few years back (but it only has listings for HBO, Showtime and the now-defunct Spotlight), along with some other TV guides that feature only local broadcast channel and superstation listings from 1980. (TVtonightOKC (talk) 19:39, 7 February 2011 (UTC))
I think your best bet is to buy this NY Times article from 1980. It's only USD $3.95 TomCat4680 (talk) 19:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Questions about Cinemax

Here are a few questions about Cinemax that I would like answers to for anybody who can find out about them:

  • 1. What month and year did Cinemax's late night adult programming block debut under the original "Friday After Dark" name?
  • 2. When did the late night block start becoming known under the umbrella "Max After Dark" name on a nightly basis? As I believe Fridays were the only night originally that had the adult programming under a branded block name.
  • 3. Was the "Cinemax Comedy Experiment" block that apparently aired during the mid/late 1980s, consist of just comedy films or were comedy specials included as well?
  • 4. And I found out very recently that in the early 1980s, Cinemax once aired a music special featuring Duran Duran, did Cinemax air any other concert specials outside of their late '80s "Cinemax Sessions" series and the MaxTrax interstitials?
  • 5: When did the network's late night adult programming first expand outside of the "Friday After Dark" block?

TVtonightOKC (talk) 13:46, 7 August 2011 (UTC) Amended: TVtonightOKC (talk) 02:18, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Here is some information I found (searching through old HBO and Cinemax Guides):
For item 1: ‘’”Friday After Dark”’’ debut in May 1984 with the first Friday showing the title “Young Lady Chatterley” on May 4, 1984.
For item 4: One program on Cinemax which premiered in 1983 was the "Album Flash", a 30 minute series which featured "Cinemax Premieres the Hottest New Albums!". Select songs from the new album were highlighted showing one artist each show. Artists included Linda Ronstadt (premiere show in Sept 1983), Olivia Newton-John, John Cougar Mellencamp, Pat Benatar, Teddy Pendergrass, Waylon Jennings, The Go-Gos and Alabama are a few I found they had shown. They also had a show about the same time period called “MaxTrax” which format was somewhat similar to HBO’s Video Jukebox (TV series).
I also found Cinemax (outside the Cinemax Sessions series) had a music special “Daryl Hall & John Oates: Rock ‘N Soul International” which premiered on April 27, 1984. There may be other ones as well. Msw1002 (talk) 01:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Scott Nemes: Former Film Department exec Scott Nemes will shepherd the development and production of original series for Cinemax, reporting to HBO Miniseries president Kary Antholis, who has been overseeing Cinemax’s original programming efforts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.25.42 (talk) 04:32, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

HBO is just as much a classic movie network as Cinemax

so why is it just shown as a Cinemax thing? The Godfather Part 2 was played on HBO as late as 1987 on one timeslot. And the movie was 13 years old at that point. No disrespect to a timeless beloved classic loved by gazillions of people, but if we're gonna make that argument let's show HBO's record. At the risk of breaking the rules, the notion that Cinemax was not a prestigious channel is just stupid altogether, and it's not an understandible misconception. Cinemax had the hit premieres more than HBO until recently, and even then they're about on par with each other today. Lethal Weapon (which btw is a UPN and a UPN station staple, the network that stomped The WB in the ratings) premiered on CINEMAX in 1988, not on HBO. Code of Silence (Chuck Norris movie) premiered on Cinemax too.

Only time Cinemax ever was a "genre" network was during the mid to late 90s (and even then HBO was that too; at least in the 80s, HBO had different genre opens during the 70s and 80s, and I don't mean just shows, there was one for movies, that had a drama somber musical tone, if we're gonna go that route, Cinemax was far more elitist). If we're talking original movies/original shows, I wouldn't even say HBO has an edge. They're on par with each other. HBO's only edge is sports (and even then boxing is not indigenous to the network either). Back to Cinemax, the "classic movies" network era was during the late 90s (and that was only on the main network itself - for instance, OuterMax and WomanMax and ThrillerMax never put the years or "Did you know?" trivia of the titles being shown on their "next"/"tonight" bumpers). All the networks did that eventually in 2003 or 2004, and that was the standard of the Cinemax network family until the late 2000s. It ended in 2008. Even then I'd surmise, even in the classic movies era (1997 - 2008), that Elf made the big network premiere on Cinemax in 2004, not HBO. I don't recall that movie ever playing on HBO or the HBO family of networks, at least not that much.

Cinemax is also far more a prestige network than HBO. Usually it's been that Cinemax had the hit premieres and had quality original programming long before HBO did. And yes Cinemax doesn't act like a HBO-originated network, but that's another subject. PS, in my opinion, much like UPN is as opposed to The WB, Tribune's failure of a network, Cinemax was more a true Warner Bros. network than HBO. RupertNY245 (talk) 20:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)