Talk:Hausa-language cinema

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Cinema Of Northern Nigeria

Firstly, Kannywood is not a "movie cinema" as some are suggesting, the fact that kannywood has produced English, Nupe, Kanuri and even hindi movies should be proof enough.A Kannywood English Movie Kannywood director Al Mustapha talks about English movies in Kannywood Secondly, the person that suggested this deletion obviously has no grasp on Nigerian history. Its not a british flag, its the flag of Northern Nigeria. And thridly- Wakili himself disputed the claims made on the link you provided. Hence, I am reverting the page to its original status --Maryamjemaare (talk) 21:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Someone should assist in moving Cinema of Northern Nigeria to Kannywood

I don't think it is right for this article to go by this name. The Cinema by Country series does not recognize regional segregation. I agree that Kannywood is different from Nollywood that is why I want it to be known by its regional name. I still don't understand why a British flag is being used in the article. Isakaba (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kannywood is an informal name giving to Hausa Language Cinema and it is a subdivision of Nollywood not different. And please let it be Hausa Cinema not Hausa Language Cinema But leaving it as Hausa Language Cinema makes me not to mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sani Wakili (talk • contribs) 16:32, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 April 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED. There doesn't appear to be any support for this move, and the nominator has indicated that they do not mind the article staying where it is. (non-admin closure) Cordless Larry (talk) 07:45, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cinema of Northern Nigeria → Kannywood – ~~per norm on Wikipedia~~. There is already a Cinema of Nigeria. I don't think it is right for this article to go by this name. The Cinema by Country series does not recognize regional segregation of industries. I agree that Kannywood is different from Nollywood that is why I want it to be known by its regional notable name. – Isakaba (talk) 19:11, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:57, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Isakaba: Few have heard of Kannywood, and many would think that it is an English placename. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:57, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant point! I just did a more thorough search on the Cinemas on Wikipedia, and I discovered India alone has up to 10 spin-off articles. I initially thought it was meant strictly for countries. However, I still think from a Nigerian angle, the name Kannywood is more common for the industry than the present title. But, I really do not mind it retaining its present name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isakaba (talk • contribs) 20:55, 18 April 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Kannywood

I think Hausa Language cinema might not be an appropriate name for this page. Rather, it should be addressed as Kannywood, which is the best description of its name as referred by the members of the movie industry. The other side of it is being addressed as Nollywood and this reflect its identity here on Wikipedia.

People from different angle of Nigeria uses the name, which includes North West, North East and North Central. So kindly consider the changes to this name to Kannywood, instead of Hausa Language cinema. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zubairudalhatu (talk • contribs) 09:55, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kannywood is not a well defined name. However, the hausa language film industry is a distinct film industry under the national film industry (Nollywood) and it makes sense to have subsections of national industries titled by their languages, just like it is done with the other industries on Wikipedia. "Cinema of Northern Nigeria" is also wrong, because there are several industries in Northern Nigeria, and they are not all in Hausa, or use the tag Kannywood. Ofcourse, Kannywood still has presence this article.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 09:42, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Mr Jamie Tubers, you are projecting southern Nigerian sentiments unto the rest of us. Nollywood is Not Nigerian and it never was. By your actions of wrongly relegating kannywood into a "hausa film industry" you are imposing southern Nigerian sentiments on the rest of us and projecting a local industry ie Nollywood unto the national space. So please, perhaps you should let Northern Nigerians speak on Northern Nigerian topics. --Maryamjemaare (talk) 21:45, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia works based on reliable sources, not personal sentiments. All sources discussing "Nollywood" defines it as an alternative name for Nigerian Cinema, which includes hausa-language filmmaking. Although, the tag itself, is disputed by a number of practitioners, the general definition has never been different. All sources discussing Kannywood, on the other hand says it's an industry based in Kano, and the language is predominantly Hausa. Filmmaking in northern Nigeria is more diverse and are not all exclusively Kannywood. Kwara for instance, is in the north, yet the movies produced are predominantly in Yoruba language. The filmmakers are registered with ANTP, and do not in anyway identify as Kannywood. Benue is also in the north, yet has its own distinct film industry, that is not Kannywood. Same with Taraba. If there's enough sources to justify a "Cinema of Northern Nigeria" article, it has to exist on its own, and discuss ALL the film industries in Northern Nigeria, and not just Kannywood. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 14:59, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Jamie Tubers I will have to agree with Maryamjemaare on this one, The citations clearly show a diverse multi lingual space that is the "the Cinema of the North", And I think you are confusing Northerners who work in Kannywood with the cinema of the North. There are Yoruba Kannywood productions- Mostly by Kwarans and Kogi's. the fact that you have southerners shooting films in Kwara or Benue (as they also do alot in Kano) does not give one the right to appropriate cultural content. This topic is taking a regional dimension, I will hate if it degenerates into another North-South clash, so might I suggest a restoration of the original status of the articles (ie "Kannywood" directs to "The Cinema of Northern Nigeria")? you can then all give your unique minority reports (in accordance with Wikipedia's standards of course).Alaminalpha (talk) 18:34, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that an attempt to move the page (as previously suggested by a southerner) had been previously discussed and closed should have meant that it remains in its original form, but what they are doing is tantamount to cultural appropriation, manipulating a scholarly compendium and forcing us to be subservient to Nollywood. This is has been a common strategy in North South discourse, they reduce everything "northern" into "Hausa" and seize everything else. We all Know that Nollywood is a reduction of southern Nigerian Cinema but they falsely depict it as some "Nigerian" thing. We should be scholarly and not infuse regional propaganda into Wikipedia. So please Jamie Tubers, kindly desist from injecting your personal sentiments into Wikipedia Maryamjemaare (talk) 19:47, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Alaminalpha: Can you please cite examples of Yoruba Kannywood productions? Cos I haven't seen one, but if there're scholarly sources discussing "Yoruba Kannywood", or "Idoma Kannywood", I'll be more than willing to accept your postulations. I'm from Kwara btw, so I'm technically from the north, I also schooled in Kwara. However, like I said earlier, my personal experiences doesn't matter to Wikipedia, there has to be scholarly sources saying it, for it to be accepted. All the 4 sources in this article specifically defines Kannywood as Hausa film industry. A quick search on google web and google books are predominantly filled with sources calling Kannywood the Hausa language film industry, some others call it the local film industry of Kano.

@Maryamjemaare: I'm not against moving the article to Kannywood. Just put up a move discussion, and see what the general community thinks. If there's anyone appropriating culture here, it is you. Give sources that say films in all the other languages in the north, are also called "Kannywood", giving examples of filmmakers in such industries. It's pretty simple.

Like I said earlier, no one is against having a page for Northern cinema, but such article has to cover all the industries in the north. But this will more or less be a duplicate of what's in the national cinema, that's why it's the standard on wikipedia to group subnational cinema based on language. India is a country with several subnational industries as well, see how it is grouped here. As an exception, there's an article for South India's cinema which basically lists all the language industries within south India, and that's because there are enough sources discussing the collective cinema of that region. If you feel there are sources discussing the film industries in Northern Nigeria, feel free to create an article on that, minding the wikipedia's neutral guideline of course. However, a spot-check on google books and web shows the lack of sources. I doubt such an article will pass WP:GNG and will eventually be deleted. There's no wrong in trying though. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:29, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jamie Tubers: Perhaps you should read my posts before replying, I have already given you sources of Kannywood non-hausa productions. And pls, Nigeria has no national cinema, we don't have one. You are parading your people's own cinema as a national cinema, of course you can site your OWN people's opinions, you have no shortage of opinionated websites parading as news stands, but that just makes it a disputed article (at best), so please, stop with the cultural appropriation. No one is stopping you from celebrating Nollywood, just don't force it on us Maryamjemaare (talk) 22:11, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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