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"Invasion" vs. "conflict"

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Instead of reverting an IP editor a third time, I've flagged the repeated change of "conflict" to "invasion" as non-NPOV. Comments? -- Jay Maynard (talk) 17:28, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

revert away - he be soapboxing. 66.105.218.3 (talk) 10:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Photo "potentially libellous"?

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User:Cindymorganinfo, who has obliquely stated she is Cindy Morgan, has twice removed a photo from the article. She states, "The photo I removed was taken without my permission, and I never signed a release for it's public use. My understanding is that this is potentially libellous, and that I'm protected from abuse of my image. I have much to much respect for Wikipedia to think that you'd allow somone to take advantage of a public person on one of your pages."

The photo in question is File:Cindy Morgan by Gage Skidmore.jpg. I see no particular problem with using the photo in question. I am unaware of any legal provision giving a person control of photos taken of them in a public place. Imagine newspaper and TV camera crews filming pretty much anywhere. (We are not, of course, using Morgan's image to promote a product, nor are we profiting from the use of her image.)

"Libel", to my understanding, involves published statements that are both false and damaging. I see nothing false about the photo. I see nothing objectively damaging about the photo.

This leaves the question of whether or not we "should" include the photo. As I see it, the only other photo in the article is the carefully posed, lit and, um, "produced" publicity photo. For comparison, I went to 1954 (Morgan's birth year) and looked for the first few actresses listed there. (My methodology is admittedly random.) I get Katey Sagal, Oprah Winfrey and Rene Russo (good company, IMO).

Sagal has 2 photos. The first was clearly taken in similar circumstances as the one of Morgan. The second is from a photo op.

Winfrey has several photos. Discounting the "fair use" images from various productions, the first is a spontaneous shot while she's walking somewhere. Next are: a photo op at the Kennedy Center, and Obama campaign stop and a candid shot while filming.

We don't have a photo for Russo. We should.

IMO, the preference seems to be for more than one photo when possible. I see nothing particularly "wrong" with either of the photos, though the promo photo seems rather, well, promotional: intended to show the subject in a favorable light, so to speak. Thoughts from others? - SummerPhD (talk) 03:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The more recent photo has been re-added via rvt to this edit. I have no strong opinion about which is preferable or specifically which belongs in the infobox. UW Dawgs (talk) 16:21, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Birth Year Wrong?

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Looks like the birth year might be off, according to the Sheriff's Office in Palm Beach, Cindy Morgan's birth date was Sept. 29, 1951. Source [1]https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/local/2024/01/07/actress-cindy-morgan-found-dead-at-lake-worth-beach-home/72141000007/ Seattleretroguy (talk) 01:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cindy Morgan in American Gigolo??

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I've taken out credit for Cindy Morgan as Jillian Summerset in 1980 movie American Gigolo. She has no credits in this movie on IMDb which is a more reliable source than WP regarding films. You won't find picture of Cindy Morgan in this movie anywhere. The only mentions of her being in the movie, or even Jillian Summerset character, is single credit lines on external sites that probably just used WP as sole source. What triggered my verification is my many watches of this movie and others she acted in. I can still be wrong, but with no authority confirming her presence, not even questionnable trivia or photos anywhere, she simply wasn't there. Elgregos (talk) 08:37, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unverifiable mess

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I’m moving this here from the “Life and career” section. Its problems are numerous.

Morgan attended 12 years of Catholic school, and then studied communications at Northern Illinois University, where she was a DJ on the campus radio station.[1] A commercial station in town invited her to report the news for them and she adopted the last name Morgan, from a story she had read about Morgan le Fay when she was 12 years old.[1]

Problems:

  1. The cited source is a Cindy Morgan fansite, which makes it an unreliable source.
  2. Because the content, an interview with Starlog magazine, is not from its original source, it’s not immediately possible to verify the accuracy of the article as presented on the fansite.
  3. The version of the article presented on the fansite only supports the claims that she worked in commercial radio and that her stage name was inspired by the character of Morgan Le Fay. No mention is made of attending parochial school, of attending NIU, of being involved in campus radio, or of having read about Le Fay when she was 12.

The passage is therefore not reliably sourced, and either the citations need to be replaced with CN tags, or the passage has to go away until reliable sources can be found. The passage has also been vandalized at least once, adding bogus claims refuted by reliable sources, but using the fansite as their illegitimate source.

[EDIT] Also, the Chicago Tribune obit cited twice in the article gives her birth year as 1951 and her age at death as 72. 2603:9001:4500:1C09:9915:CC16:C0FC:147 (talk) 15:15, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ a b "Starlog". Archived from the original on February 4, 2012. Retrieved January 8, 2024.