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Reason for arrest?

Can someone please explain what UK law he is alleged to have broken, or if a US law, how he comes to fall in their jurisdiction, as a uk businessman not based in the usa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.148.176.98 (talk) 13:54, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From what I've read he needed a US export licence for these batteries, presumably because they could be used to power SAM missiles. He asked the purchasers (undercover US Customs agents) about a licence and they said he didn't need one so he imported the batteries from the US to the Netherlands without a licence. That's my understanding of his story. "Oops I've broken the law but it was an accident, sorry."

Presumably you don't seriously think British businesses can trade with the US without complying with US law? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.28.164 (talk) 19:35, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How did he get so wealthy anyway?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.110.124.83 (talk) 14:23, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A story based on ignorance

After reading the reasons for extradition given by the UK court system, there is a case to answer. Just read the document, it's all there.

This case is based on ignorance. In the United States before an arrest warrant can be issued for a felony, the facts and evidence of the case must be tested at a grand jury hearing. The UK used to do this but for whatever reason (remember American common law comes directly from the English legal system) they were abandoned years ago. Nowadays anyone charged with an offence in England and Wales has their first hearing at Magistrates Court where a JP i.e. local member of the Conservative Club, golf club and round table always agrees with the case presented by the CPS and has the defendant remanded in custody.

However in the US, a group of 15 people still sit as an independent body to hear the prosecution outline the evidence against the accused. If they decide - not the Judge or the lawyers - that there is enough evidence to suggest that there is a case to answer, only then is an arrest warrant issued. These people did not know Tappin so why should they be biased against him or think the US agents had used entrapment (consider the geography too, Texans are Republicans who not too found of federal interference, they would not take kindly to entrapment).

If the UK media actually bothered to balance its reporting with an actual understanding of the American legal system, same goes for the civil rights groups in Britain, they would realise that the evidence in the Tappin case had already been tested by an independent jury, who found him wanting! Same goes for Gary McKinnon. It is not right to say they these Brits have been let down or not had a fair time because the American system could not be fairer. It's the UK system that is left wanting. I don't think a Magistrate has ever let a person go after hearing the CPS outline its case!! But balance that with the number of acquittals in jury trials at Crown Court....

And what is your point in relation to this Wikipedia article? NotFromUtrecht (talk) 22:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The point being the guy was guilty all along. All the crap about the extradition procedure was a smoke screen thrown up to hide the fact he was er, guilty. Not notable in my book.86.160.107.189 (talk) 20:11, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What an extraordinary load of twaddle. And, laughable American exceptionalism, too.86.164.195.202 (talk) 10:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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