Talk:Christian supremacy

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This article was nominated for deletion on June 22, 2010. The result of the discussion was delete.

regarding a request for retitling

An IP editor, in an edit comment, asked for permission to move the page to Christian supremacism.

While there may be some grammatical argument for using that term in placeswithin the text, the title should remain where it is. Christian supremacy has always been the far more common term (with the exception of 1829, when they were briefly tied) and more in line with what users will be looking for. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:47, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opening sentence

The opening sentence, not obviously sourced, currently reads Christian supremacy is the belief that Christianity is superior to other religions or referring to a form of identity politics that asserts that Christians are superior and are better suited to rule thus marginalising religious minorities. That first clause, the belief that Christianity is superior to other religions, is a questionable definition, and does not seem to be directly sourced; it would seem to cast basically all religious Christians (who believe that their religion is "true" in ways that others fail at) as Christian supremacists. It's the second clause that seems to be what this article is about. Should we eliminate that first clause? -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NatGertler Agree that the first sentence is a bit of a mess. Part of the issue here is that the article never really defines CS, or how it is different from, e.g., christian nationalism. I'm tempted to buy/borrow Magda Teter's book and use it to rewrite the lead + create a definition section. Notably, based on my read of the amazon preview, Teter directly traces the ideology to Supersessionism, excluding Jews and other racial minorities. Another relevant quote in the introduction is this: This book treats the word 'supremacy' in its literal--not figurative--sense of being 'in the position of supreme or highest authority or power'. She also uses the phrase "Christian domination" quite a bit. I think all of these are better starting points for a lead sentence + definition section than the current sentence, which just repeats the term without suggesting what the supremacy is in relation to, or what fields it exists in. I also don't know that I would say that "CS is a form of identity politics" when there is a clear theological foundation. Thoughts? Alyo (chat·edits) 06:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a basis for taking a stab. I suggest running it by here first. (I'm not sure that their having a belief-based argument for it makes "identity politics" illegitimate, though.) It seems to me that Christian nationalism is a single expression of Christian supremacy within a specifically limited arena. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 12:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't seem to have that book in any of my libraries, so it will take a bit! In the meantime, I very strongly feel we should not have an "or" in the leading sentence of the article. I would disagree with the second clause insofar as it's descriptive ("Christians are superior...") instead of normative ("Christians should be dominant..."), which I think starts to resolve the issue you flagged in your first sentence. Alyo (chat·edits) 18:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]