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DateProcessResult
February 22, 2009Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 9, 2009.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the grandfather of Barack Obama's new Cabinet Secretary, Chris Lu, was attorney general for the Republic of China?

Wow

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there are so many things wrong with this article I don't even know where to begin --98.110.43.168 (talk) 03:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well now it looks a bit better! still short though —98.110.43.168 (talk) 22:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Chris Lu/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

My comments will trickle in a few lines at a time. Respond to each line separately. I will strike lines as we progress.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LEAD
Early life
  • Use the state of birth in the infobox too.
  • Use {{city-state}} for Rockville.
  • After MD I would add ",where he grew up." cited by the first ref.
    • Ok. Do I have to put in another citation from that first ref after the "where he grew up"? If you think so, feel free to add it yourself, or I'll do it. --Hunter Kahn (talk) 06:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • adding in 1974, made it ungrammatical unless he grew up in 1974. I fixed it.
  • Taiwan-Chinese?? I don't know what this means and it is linked in a meaningless way to me. Does it mean China born of Taiwan decent like African-American, Italia-American, etc. or does it mean "The Taiwan part of China" as it were?
    • Hmm...well, the "Taiwan-Chinese" thing was part of the article before I worked on it, so I kinda just left it be, as my source did seem to reflect it. The exact wording of the source is "Lu’s parents are Eileen and Chien-Yang Lu, both of whom were graduate students in the U.S. from Taiwan during the 1960’s." However, it says repeatedly that Chris Lu is a Chinese-American in the source. Maybe the best way to phrase it would be to say his parents were of Chinese dissent and were living in Taiwan? I'm not sure, what do you think? --Hunter Kahn (talk) 06:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • This is a PC issue I am unqualified to advise on. For GA we'll leave it be.
    • For the "Nationality" field of the infobox, I have changed it from "Taiwan-Chinese" to "United States". He was born in the US, so he has American citizenship. I have left the "Early life" section as is, which states that Lu's parents are "Taiwan-Chinese". But this will probably become problematic when the identity politics warriors discover that statement. I see edit-warring over things like that all the time. My suggestion here is to just say that his parents are from Taiwan, without applying an ethnic label. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref two mentioned a wife. We should note he is married.
    • Interestingly enough, I did have a mention about Lu being married under a "Personal life" section and under the "Career" section, both of which had previously been removed from the article by a user identified only with an IP address. (Was that you? It happened recently.) They were removed because they were apparently "unverified," but as you'll see, they are in fact verified by the sources. I think they should stay in and I readded them (which I think deals with your objection too), but you're the reviewer. What do you think?--Hunter Kahn (talk) 06:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think family of jurists is a bit misleading. His father was an engineer.[3] There is no information that his mother is ajurist. We only know of one. Add that his father was an engineer and reword.
  • You should also mention his cum laude at Harvard.[5]--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Career
Senate Office
President
Personal

Official review

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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria


This provides a clear crystalization of the biographical encyclopedic content of this subject. It uses a sufficiently broad array of sources to help the reader understand the identity and role of the subject.

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    I would be happier to know his city of birth and whether he has kids. Pre-2002 personal info would also broaden the article.
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
    We could use an image
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    Almost there. Just a few minor tweaks.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Great work. Thanks for your patience.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns

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There are a lot of problems with this article. First, I'm not sure we can or should say that he "fell in love" with his wife at Sidley Austin. It's weirdly personal. Second, he worked in the D.C. office of Sidley Austin, not the Chicago office where the Obamas worked, and there's no evidence that he knew them from that period of time. Other problems will be detailed later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaudtheclod (talkcontribs) 22:59, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The other thing I'd point out -- and one reason to tighten up the language -- is that the sourcing for "fell in love" is an unverified English translation of a Chinese language article. Let's not read too much into that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaudtheclod (talkcontribs) 23:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think you raise a legitimate point, and I think the change you've made regarding this is fine. One thing I wanted to ask, however, was I saw you added a bit about "laying the groundwork for a possible presidential transition." I'm sure you're right about this, but we need to cite a legitimate source for everything we include (and no original research is allowed), and the current source doesn't say this. Do you know of a source anywhere that says he did this groundwork, which we can site? --Hunter Kahn (talk) 17:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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