Talk:Chołodecki

2006

The first link refers to a page that looks to be down, the cache of the page states the following:

Na południowy-zachód 5 km. od Zborowa wieś Cecowa, stara osada wchodząca w skład posiadłości Sobieskich, w czasach zaś porozbiorowych należąca miedzy innemi do znanej rodziny Białynia - Chołodeckich. W latach 1831 - 1846 jedno z ognisk ruchu konspiracyjnego w b. zaborze austrjackim, stąd wyruszyła z wybuchem rewolucji lutowej - 1846 r. wyprawa na Narajów, której epilogiem było stracenie we Lwowie Teofila Wiśniewskiego. Miejscowość ta stała się pamiętną w dziejach czechosłowackiego narodu. Tutaj porozrzucane po korpusach rosyjskich drużyny czeskie, złączone zostały w przededniu wielkiej ofenzywy gen. Brusiłowa w czeskosłowacką brygadę, która w dniu 2 lipca 1917 r. odniosła świetne zwycięstwo, okupując je śmiercią około 200 legjonistów. W usypanej na pobojowisku mogile spoczywają synowie narodu czechosłowackiego, którzy pierwsi po bojach białogórskich zaświadczyli orężnie na polach zborowskich o dążności swego narodu do niepodległości. Dzień ten stał się narodowem świętem wskrzeszonego państwa czechosłowackiego, a pobojowisko stanowi cel licznych pielgrzymek. Stąd w czerwcu 1922 r. wydobyto ze wspólnej mogiły zwłoki jednego z bezimiennie pochowanych żołnierzy czechosłowackich, przewieziono je do Pragi i złożono uroczyście wraz z garścią ziemi z pół Cecowy jako „Nieznanego Żołnierza” w kaplicy ratusza Staromiejskiego. W dniu 2 lipca 1927 r., jako w dziesięciolecie czynu zborowskiego, odsłonięto na wzgórku pod Cecową, przy udziale około 2.000 przedstawicieli czechosłowackiego społeczeństwa pomnik i wmurowano wen tablice pamiątkową. --Milicz 21:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't get the images to look good :(--Milicz 22:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

Considering this article is sourced and based upon a book about the family I do not believe that notability is a valid tag. --Milicz (talk) 05:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added a number of references and other reading materials, for the notability argument. 8 of the individuals have written works dedicated to them alone as follows:

Tomasz Chołodecki: is written about in numerous books and articles regarding the Kraków Uprising of 1846. See [1] for list in Google Books, he is additionally included in the Polish Biographical Dictionary and has a chapter about him in the book Białynia-Chołodeccy : uczestnicy spisków, więźniowie stanu
Celestyn Chołodecki: is written about in a work solely dedicated to him in Celestyn Chołodecki (Białynia): wspomnienie z minionej doby‎ (Celestyn Cholodecki (Białynia): remembrances from a time past) Kazimierz Baranowski, Lwów 1907. He also is referenced in at least five other works dealing with conspiratorial actions, such as Konspiracje galicyjskie, 1831-1845 By Stefan Kieniewicz. He has a chapter dedicated to him in the book Białynia-Chołodeccy : uczestnicy spisków, więźniowie stanu.
Józef Białynia Chołodecki: is known and referenced in hundreds if not thousands of works.
Antoni Inocent Chołodecki: has a section dedicated to him in the Polish Studia i materiały z dziejów nauki polskiej from 1958 and is referenced in dozens of places in Russian academic pieces as he was a famous railroad pioneer in Russia Антон-Иннокентий Адамович Холодецкий, also popularly refered to as A.A. Холодецкий.
Jadwiga Chołodecka: has a book dedicated to her life Wśród róż i głogów: wspomnienia z życia Jadwigi z Białynia-Chołodeckich and is prominently discussed in other works dealing with Lwów from the beginning of the 20th century.
Aleksander Chołodecki: is referenced and written about in a number of works dealing with the uprising of 1831 and the defense of Zamość and his escape to France.
Jarosław Chołodecki: is referenced in numerous articles about his time in Solidarity.
Olgierd Chołodecki: is written about in the few Polish books and articles dedicated to the deaf and their part in the first world war and the 1918-1920 conflict with Bolshevik Russia.

The Chołodecki's: as a family not as individuals are referenced at least 36 times in Google Books. [2]

I would hope that this would put an end to the question of whether the family is notable. I will add more sources as I find them. --Milicz (talk) 21:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2009 reference work, formatting on lead-in

Hopefully, that helped with the images. To accomplish what you want, they may need some wiki code for frames to make the text behave and get the contents list to appear below them.

I turned the inline links into the most basic of references, so that the article does now have one reference. The dead link to the personal web site doesn't help, sadly.

sinneed (talk) 23:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't get it to move the Table of Contents out of the space between the images.

Updated 2 External links, one dead, one needs an English title.

I note that this article is not linked to the Polish language Wikipedia. Surely this article exists there?sinneed (talk) 23:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the edits, I added some quick online references, hopefully properly.--Milicz (talk) 00:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They were proper. I like to put the left square bracket, the url, a space, and the name/description, then the closing square bracket. This makes the entire name/description a click-able link. But the other method is proper. Hope that helps. Cheers. sinneed (talk) 02:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]