Talk:Cherry-throated tanager/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 01:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Esculenta (talk · contribs) 14:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jens, I'll review this one. Comments in a few days. Let me know if this is FAC-bound and I could be extra nitpicky (if you like). Esculenta (talk) 14:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Yes, I intend to bring this to FAC. Also note that I'm currently at a conference and will have some field work afterwards, so appologies if I cannot always respond promptly. Jens Lallensack (talk) 14:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments: Looks good overall; here's a list of mostly prose tweak suggestions. I'll check citations and do spot checks on the next pass. Esculenta (talk) 15:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the detailed review! I addressed all comments, with a few questions. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 19:47, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Esculenta: The map has now been updated, too. Let me know if you have any further comments! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 19:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I checked all statements cited to Bauer et al. 2000 and several to Santos et al. 2021, and confirm that the material cited to these sources is supported by the text in the sources and is reasonably paraphrased. The article meets all of the GA criteria and I'll promote it at this time. I've appended some additional nitpicky comments that don't affect GA status, but might help for FAC. Esculenta (talk) 20:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

• the updated range map now shows a light circle within a darker circle; I don't know if that was intended.

Do you mean it should be vice-versa (darker circle within the light one)?

• other bird FACs I've seen give the vocalisations as italics, so you might want to check the bird's project's best practices for tweets

I am not sure there is a tendency here; the bird FAs I looked at didn't use italics, and I follow the style of my two previous bird FAs.

• suggest adding trans-titles to the non-English sources

Added.

• some inconsistency in retrieval dates (e.g. "Retrieved August 17, 2024" vs. "Retrieved 2024-08-17")

Fixed.

• there's an isbn available for Por 1992

Added

• it seems that the page range for Venturini et al. 2005 is incorrect

Oops, fixed.

• at FAC, I would ask why this interesting research wasn't mentioned in the article

I saw this, but I'm not sure what exactly I could include here. The paper is about a new method, and the cherry-throated tanager has been used as a case study, but is it relevant for this article when the method has never actually been used to search for this species?

• this source says "Intensive surveys have encountered only eleven individuals of Cherry-throated Tanager Nemosia rourei, and the global population is unlikely to be much greater." which is close but not quite what the article says ("10 individuals in 2020"), so I thought I'd mention it; this number is repeated by another authoritative-looking source

Thanks; I'm not sure which year this count is referring too. But I added a diagram providing a more complete picture of minimum numbers by year. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 19:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Lead

• "By the end of 2023, a total of 20 individuals were known and the total population was estimated"

Done.

• suggesting linking destruction to habitat destruction; plumage; breeding pair; Mata de Caetés in lead image caption

Done.

• suggest not abbreviating hectares in the lead

Done.

• "Known nests have contained two or three eggs," Personally, I've always thought the word "Known" was redundant in these sorts of expressions, i.e., we sort of assume that these expressions of facts are made based on instances of documented observations, unless told otherwise.

I used this more careful wording because the source only reported the number of eggs that the observed clutches contained, but it does not make the generalization that this would be the case for the species as a whole. I am fine with changing it, but I feel that the current wording is more prudent and closer to what the source actually sais.

• that's a pretty thin black line for the circle on the distribution map that could be hardly perceptible for some (like me without glasses); suggest bolding or brightening it.

I requested the change from the creator of the image (for some reason I don't have the rights to overwrite the file myself).

Taxonomy

• according to the Wikipedia article, it's "Emilie" rather than "Emilia" (although I see the literature is inconsistent…)

Changed.

• "Museu Nacional do Rio de Janeiro" I'm not sure what the MoS says about this, but the English-language equivalent to this is National Museum of Brazil, and maybe it would be better to link to it directly (or do that and give the Portuguese name parenthetically)

Fixed.

• "The Portuguese name of the bird is …" I think the quote marks are redundant, since the non-English phrase is already italicized by the template.

Fixed.

• specific name needs a direct pipe to Specific name (zoology)

Fixed.

Description

• The phrase "This mask is nearly meeting at the nape" is somewhat awkward, using a present continuous tense ("is meeting") for a static description, which doesn't fit right; suggest "This mask almost meets at the nape" or similar.

Fixed.

• similarly with this sentence: "and the gray scapulars (shoulder feathers) are sometimes dropping over the wing to form a gray shoulder patch." -> "sometimes overlap the wing"

Fixed.

• "Males and females are similar." in appearance and size?

In appearance (added now). Only two specimens have actually been measured, so I don't think we can be certain about a lack of differences in size.

• "0.5 cm (0.20 in) in width" unwarranted precision increase in the output

Fixed.

Habitat and distribution

• "is a very local endemic of the Atlantic Forest" does the "very" really add anything?

Removed.

• "montaneous" -> mountainous or montane

Changed.

Behavior and ecology

• link social species

Done.

• "It has often been observed that one of the flock members sat higher and was noisier than the others, for unclear reasons." The sentence mixes past tense ("sat," "was") with present perfect tense ("It has often been observed"), which creates an awkward construction; suggest either present perfect tense ("It has often been observed that one of the flock members sits higher and is noisier than the others, for unclear reasons.") or simple past tense ("It was often observed that one of the flock members sat higher and was noisier than the others, for unclear reasons.") depending on whether the observation is considered ongoing or purely historical.

Thanks, went with past tense now.

• "A possible courship behavior" fix typo and link (courtship display? Display (zoology)?)

Done.

• incooperating -> incorporating

Fixed.

• The "Reproduction" section could be expanded with more details on incubation period and fledgling development, if such information exists.

That information does not exist yet. The section mostly draws from from the action plan; a paper on these new findings appears to be forthcoming but has not been published yet.

Status

• "extend of the black face" extent

fixed.

• "Some ornithologists even thought that the holotype specimen is an artifact" is->was

fixed.

• "all part of the same mixed-species foraging flock, for ca. 20 minutes." I think WP:ABBR advises that abbreviations should generally be avoided unless there's a good justification for them; here, I think "about" or "approximately" is better

fixed.

• "Modeling of the potential distribution of the species suggested that Caparaó National Park might be suitable for the species, but 2021 surveys to the area were unsuccessful." suggest stating explicitly in what way the surveys were unsuccessful.

added.

• "In 2002, a company explored another property bordering one of the forest fragments for marble and granite using explosives" this seems unusual to me, as marble and granite are typically not explored or prospected using explosives (usually geological surveys, core sampling, and non-destructive methods are first), but I suppose this is Brazil, where environmental policies are presumably less restrictive …

This is what the source says. It's a small property, so I guess they just use the cheapest and quickest way possible. Brazil tends to have rules for everything, but the big problem there is law enforcement, which often does simply not happen.

• maybe link off-road racing; conservation; nature reserve; action plan

linked all.

• "heart-of-palm" the Wikipedia article titles this phrase without the hyphens

removed.

• could pipe a link to Protected areas of Brazil from "protected area"
• "potential predators such as black capuchins and channel-billed toucans were chased away" I'm curious to know if the drone was user to chase away the predators :)

I don't think so, but the source does not say.

• Neutrality: be cautious about statements that might be seen as overly dramatic, such as "There seems little hope that this distinctive, presumably forest, species could still be extant." Consider rephrasing such statements to maintain a more objective tone. Others: "The rediscovery of the species sparkled (maybe this was supposed to be "sparked"?) prompted a number of surveys". "The tanager may become an attraction for ecotourism from which locals may benefit" could be perceived as speculative or promotional. A more neutral phrasing might be "There are proposals to develop ecotourism around the tanager, which could potentially benefit local communities."

Took over all suggestions. Regarding the quote, do you think it should be removed? This quote was selected by one of the sources (not by myself), and it seems to reflect the opinion at that time quite well.

Maybe introduce the quote with a phrase that contextualizes it as a historical opinion, such as: Reflecting the pessimism of the time, Scott and Brooke remarked in 1985 that "quote"...

• no info on who drew the image of the type?

We apparently don't have that info. We know that the plate was originally published in black-and-white in the journal, but the plate itself was in color and stored in Frankfurt.

• "Since its description in 1870, based on a shot specimen, there have had been no confirmed sightings for more than 100 years,"

changed.

• "The uppertail coverts have white spots at their ends that may have a signal function as they are sometimes prominently presented by the birds." This sentence is a bit awkward. Consider rewording to "The uppertail coverts have white spots at their ends, which may serve a signaling function as the birds sometimes prominently display them."

Took that wording, thanks.

• "The Cherry-throated Tanager Conservation Program of the Marcos Daniel Institute implemented various conservation measures such as monitoring, research, and public engagement." The verb tense is inconsistent with the rest of the paragraph. Consider changing "implemented" to "has implemented".

changed.